War And Young Americans

Authored by Raul Ilargi Meijer via The Automatic Earth blog,

So we’re going to do this all over again? Well, not if I can help it. Not that I have much hope that I can, mind you. As the bastions of war chime on, my voice, like so many others, will be drowned out. The military industrial complex knows how to do propaganda, better than anyone. But I’ll try.

Vietnam gave the US its biggest ever defeat, both militarily and morally, and yet mere years after its deeply humiliating withdrawal was put into action, the country was back at sending its promising young boys and girls not to its school systems, but to far away battle fields to be crippled, traumatized and slaughtered.

I know, I know, the UK and France do that too, but few other places do. Russia today uses its troops to defend its territory, China has yet to reveal its intentions. But the intentions of the US have been known ever since WWII ended.

In 1956, president Eisenhower, himself a longtime military man, warned the country upon taking leave of office, of the military-industrial complex that was threatening to take over its government. Less than 10 years later, that’s exactly what the complex did, and it’s never looked back.

And I’m thinking: you never learned anything at all? Not from Ike, not from Vietnam, not from the non-existent Iraqi WMD, and not from Libya or Syria? How is that even possible? Oh wait, I know, because the New York Times, Washington Post, CNN et al is where you get your so-called news. That’s why. Gotcha.

Today, May 26 2019, and I’m deeply ashamed to say it, I have two stories, one concerning a speech by VP Mike Pence at West Point, the other from Caitlin Johnstone about a Twitter thread initiated by the US military itself. Pence’s speech is heart breaking in its ignorance of US history, Caitlin’s is heart wrenching in its acknowledgment of that same history, and what it does to young Americans.

Now, I think this is not about Trump, as many will undoubtedly claim, it’s about Trump and Pelosi and Pence and McCain and Bolton and Hillary and Pompeo and Obama and all of the people hanging around both administrations. Let’s see what YOU think.

Pence To West Point Grads: You Will Fight On a Battlefield for America at Some Point in Your Life

Vice President Mike Pence told the graduating class of the West Point Military Academy on Saturday that the world is “a dangerous place” and they should expect to see combat. “Men and women of West Point, no matter where you’re deployed, you will be the vanguard of freedom, and you know that the “soldier does not bear the sword in vain.” The work you do has never been more important. America will always seek peace, but peace comes through strength. And you are now that strength. It is a virtual certainty that you will fight on a battlefield for America at some point in your life. You will lead soldiers in combat. It will happen.

Some of you will join the fight against radical Islamic terrorists in Afghanistan and Iraq. Some of you will join the fight on the Korean Peninsula and in the Indo-Pacific, where North Korea continues to threaten the peace, and an increasingly militarized China challenges our presence in the region. Some of you will join the fight in Europe, where an aggressive Russia seeks to redraw international boundaries by force. And some of you may even be called upon to serve in this hemisphere. And when that day comes, I know you will move to the sound of the guns and do your duty, and you will fight, and you will win. The American people expect nothing less.”

Mike Pence is a very dangerous person. He’s planning to send American children into endless wars once again, 45-odd years after Vietnam and 20-odd years after Iraq. And there’s no-one left to stop him, other than Trump, Not exactly a solid guarantee. The Democrats will cheer this on, and their media will too. They always have.

Now, I’m not old enough to remember the whole story of the US involvement in Vietnam, but I do recall this 1985 video from Paul Hardcastle, which stated that the average age of the US soldier in Vietnam -towards the end- was 19. I have also seen Coppola’s movie “Apocalypse Now”, and many others, and yes, I’m wondering where today’s versions of these movies are.

Because, you know, when I read the Twitter thread picked up by Caitlin Johnstone listing what was supposed to be a promo thing from the army, my heart sinks and hurts and in the end is downright defeated. It’s like reading the accounts from Vietnam, and nothing has changed in 50+ years. How can that be? Says innocent me.

But religious nut Mike Pence has the guts to present this as some sort of heroic thing. For young Americans to go die in a desert for nothing at all other than Exxon’s access to oil and the profits of Boeing and Raytheon. And of course they’ve been setting this up for decades, that young kids -certainly blacks- who have no shot at a proper education, can get one only if they agree to become cannon fodder.

That’s ‘Nam, guys, that’s the 1960’s, history. And just look at how terribly that failed. Well, Mike Pence would like to repeat that failure.

The US Army Asked Twitter How Service Has Impacted People. The Answers Were Gut-Wrenching.

After posting a video of a young recruit talking to the camera about how service allows him to better himself “as a man and a warrior”, the US Army tweeted, “How has serving impacted you?” As of this writing, the post has over 5,300 responses. Most of them are heartbreaking. “My daughter was raped while in the army,” said one responder. “They took her to the hospital where an all male staff tried to convince her to give the guy a break because it would ruin his life. She persisted. Wouldn’t back down. Did a tour in Iraq. Now suffers from PTSD.”

“I’ve had the same nightmare almost every night for the past 15 years,” said another. Tweet after tweet after tweet, people used the opportunity that the Army had inadvertently given them to describe how they or their loved one had been chewed up and spit out by a war machine that never cared about them. This article exists solely to document a few of the things that have been posted in that space, partly to help spread public awareness and partly in case the thread gets deleted in the interests of “national security”.

“my grandpa served in vietnam from when he was 18–25. he’s 70 now and every night he still has nightmares where he stands up tugging at the curtains or banging on the walls screaming at the top of his lungs for someone to help him. he refuses to talk about his time and when you mention anything about the war to him his face goes white and he has a panic attack. he cries almost every day and night and had to spend 10 years in a psychiatric facility for suicidal ideations from what he saw there.”

“My best friend joined the Army straight out of high school because his family was poor & he wanted a college education. He served his time & then some. Just as he was ready to retire he was sent to Iraq. You guys sent him back in a box. It destroyed his children.”

“My best friend from high school was denied his mental health treatment and forced to return to a third tour in Iraq, despite having such deep trauma that he could barely function. He took a handful of sleeping pills and shot himself in the head two weeks before deploying.”

If you got the stomach for it, guys, do read it. But I got to tell you, I find it hard.

The US killed millions of people and maimed ten times that in Vietnam, and that very much includes its own young and promising American citizens, and they did it again in Iraq. Mike Pence wants to repeat that in Iran and other theaters. Supported by Pelosi, Pompeo, Schumer, Bolton etc. Shame for them John McCain passed.

There’s only one US presidential candidate who’s explicitly spoken out against this mad repeat of Vietnam, and that’s Tulsi Gabbard, who actually “served” in Iraq. So she will be pushed aside by the DNC. Who are funded by the military industrial complex, don’t you know. Must serve the machine. We have a long way to go.

I always thought that Springsteen talking about Vietnam from Born In The USA is sort of like a haiku, encompassing the essence in just a few words, even if he doesn’t catch all the misery and bloodshed and mental anguish and broken lives and all of it (but how could you?):

I had a brother at Khe San;

Fighting off the Viet Cong

They’re still there, he’s all gone

He had a woman he loved in Saigon

I got a picture of him in her arms now

I know people older than me have many more examples of this and from the time when the ‘war’ was actually ongoing. Eve of Destruction? Creedence? Please send suggestions.

But also, please recognize the similarities in the madness then and now.

And let’s try and make it stop.

Let’s try and stop history from even rhyming, let alone repeating.

Nassim Taleb likes to point out that in olden days those who declared wars would also be first in line to fight them. By design. The fair thing to do.

Let’s send Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi and Donald Trump and Chuck Schumer and Mike Pompeo and John Bolton and all of their families into Iran first. And then we can talk.

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31 Comments
Mary Christine
Mary Christine
May 27, 2019 9:55 am

I’m glad you posted this. The best way to honor our Vets is to stop them from creating more Vets. Pence is even more evil than Pelosi, etal. Because he presents himself as a pious man and so many evangelicals believe him. A pox on them for not doing their own research.

monger
monger
  Mary Christine
May 27, 2019 1:42 pm

What I think of when I see Pence

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  monger
May 28, 2019 4:04 am

100 % agreement there, Monger.
No one should ever vote for this man as president when Trump leaves office!

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Mary Christine
May 27, 2019 2:29 pm

Amen.

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
May 27, 2019 10:01 am

Walking on a thin line , straight off the front line . Huey Lewis
The circle jerk of Wall Street to K-Street to Capitol Street never stop !
I have a great deal of respect for young people that sign up take the oath and wear the uniform in our military branches . I also have a great deal of contempt for those in the circle jerk pulling the puppet strings that send our patriotic young people in harms way for absolutely nothing to do with the real defense of the American Republic . A proper deployment of troops would be around our nations Capitol and the circle jerk members . Let’s work together as real patriots supporting our nation and convene some Nuremberg style justice on the domestic enemies from within our own borders !
Happy Memorial Day ?For who ?

Mygirl...maybe
Mygirl...maybe
  Boat Guy
May 27, 2019 10:05 am

War is good business, invest your sons (and daughters)

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  Mygirl...maybe
May 28, 2019 4:19 am

As Lew Rockwell says, war is the health of the State.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  Boat Guy
May 28, 2019 4:10 am

The majority of those voluntarily enlisting either think they’re doing the right thing for the country (but many realize their mistake once on active duty) or they are so desperate for a job, they’re willing to become cannon fodder for their government. Neither it a good proposition for the soldier.
So every Memorial Day we weep and pull our hair out over the many, many deaths. But nobody does anything about stopping the useless death and mental health issues, because the bottom line becomes the number-one priority.

anarchyst
anarchyst
May 27, 2019 10:17 am

Using movies to formulate an opinion about war is not only disingenuous, but dishonest. As to Vietnam, the situation is much more complicated in the world of geopolitics, something that Hollywood cannot comprehend.
For your information, almost ALL of us Vietnam veterans came back with sound minds to an ungrateful country and quietly resumed our lives without incident or fanfare. The promised government jobs that were mandated into law for returning Vietnam veterans never materialized.
I notice that you have swallowed the standard loss of Vietnam lies hook line and sinker. Americans and South Vietnamese prevailed in every battle-bar none. In fact, the 1968 TET offensive was a decisive victory for the South Vietnamese and American forces-the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese forces were decimated. Of course, the American mainstream media claimed it was a victory for the communists. The North Vietnamese were ready to deal in 1968 until communist sympathizer Walter Cronkite declared that the TET offensive was a decisive victory for the north. North Vietnamese General Giap thanked the U S media for giving them new resolve to fight on.
For your information, the American Vietnam war was not a civil-war but was an INVASION by the North Vietnamese, who wanted control of the whole country. The INVASION was allowed to continue when American troops left and South Vietnamese troops were not resupplied, as promised.
YOU must have watched the Ken Burns’ schlockumentary on Vietnam, in which he built up the North Vietnamese while exacting harsh criticism (lies) on the American and South Vietnamese troops. Of course, to his credit, Burns let it slip that the re-education camps contrary to communist claims (actually prisons) would be in operation for approximately six months after the war was over, it turns out that many former South Vietnamese were detained for as long as twenty years.
As to atrocities committed by Americans, (My Lai) as horrible as they were, they were uncommon. To this day, there is absolutely NO mention of the Duc Duc massacre committed by the communists in which the village was destroyed and 1500 people were murdered. Not a peep from the American news media.
Post-war Vietnam was so wonderful, tens of thousands of boat people risked life and limb to escape that communist paradise [silence].
Go to Garden Grove or Westminster California and talk to the Vietnamese expatriates about the “communist paradise” that they are exiled from…

Capn Mike
Capn Mike
  anarchyst
May 27, 2019 10:41 am

As one Vietnam vet to another, I gotta say: What a crock!
There was NO winning Vietnam. It was not our fight. If we had “won” it would have been just like we “won” in Iraq: decades of occupation and misery.
Don’t mistake stupidity for patriotism.

anarchyst
anarchyst
  Capn Mike
May 27, 2019 12:35 pm

Before you push your bitterness on others, please realize that there were many different experiences in Vietnam, some good, some bad. Of course, we can agree to disagree as everyone’s experiences were different.
What you considered a “loss” was an outright “giveaway”. I am sure that you did what you needed to survive, like all of us who served.
I don;t know what branch of service or units you served with, but there are those of us who DID make friends with the locals, not seeing them as lesser human beings, and wondered what happened to them after the communist takeover.
May I suggest that you obtain and read “Our War Was Different” by Al Hemingway. In it are first-person accounts of those who served in the most successful pacification program of the war, the Marine “Combined Action Program”. There are positive and negative responses in the book.
My feelings of emptiness and betrayal came with the ultimate takeover of Vietnam by the communists.
I know it’s not easy, but your bitterness will consume you. All of us left a part of us in Vietnam and brought back a part of Vietnam home.
Best regards,

USMC 0311 RVN 1970-71

You are absolutely correct about Iraq and subsequent wars being clusterf#cks that we have no business being in. Those of us who experienced war want no part of it. I’m with you, brother. Welcome home.

doug
doug
  anarchyst
May 27, 2019 12:19 pm

While most military are honorable men, the politicians who send them to fight /die are not.

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
  anarchyst
May 27, 2019 4:41 pm

Vietnam is a perfect example of American diplomacy flushed down a rathole . While American military , mostly young people have their lives interrupted and many ended for corporate greed .
It’s not the men on the mission it’s the vile political animals pulling the strings while profiting from the men in uniforms demise !

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  anarchyst
May 28, 2019 4:17 am

I feel for you and the many others who had to fight on behalf of the U.S. government in Vietnam, in Korea, and every other undeclared war. And I don’t care who was right or wrong, who was winning or losing. Regardless, the U.S. had no business being engaged in that war. Period.
Our military is supposed to be for defense of this nation. Not for any other nation or coalition. Period.

CCRider
CCRider
May 27, 2019 10:31 am

Pense. Another Jesus loving baby killer. And dumber than a brick. He should have been booed off the stage. I hope those poor saps he was speaking to read Caitlin’s article.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  CCRider
May 27, 2019 2:34 pm

He has no idea who Christ is or what He’s done. Please don’t mistake MP’s use of religiosity for honest Christianity.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  CCRider
May 28, 2019 4:25 am

The majority of those people believe the same way as Pence. A bunch of Neo-Con hypocrites.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Vixen Vic
May 28, 2019 9:29 am

Agreed. Wonder why I post so many rightly divided Bible verses? Because so many have things so very confused. The Bible is actually easy to understand when once the timeline is understood. We live in the present (duh) represented by Paul’s epistles. We do not live in the past (Gen-Acts) nor do we exist in the future (Heb-Rev).

Mike Pence and the neo-con “conservatives” are an example of what happens when the Bible is misunderstood and misused.

Whether or not people believe it to be Gods very words as I do or a complete and total fabrication, it is the most powerful book on earth. Good idea to know what’s inside.

Hammer
Hammer
May 27, 2019 11:58 am

Certainly Blacks who have no shot at a proper education? Perhaps you haven’t heard collages now give entrance credit for just being black, or are raised in poor neighborhoods. The article wouldn’t be complete without throwing race into the mix now would it?

Ruby Ridge
Ruby Ridge
  Hammer
May 27, 2019 12:14 pm

Yeah he HAD to throw in the “noble” negro.

Warren
Warren
May 27, 2019 1:16 pm

Just the other day, my nephew who was in Iraq at the peak of it all, as a part of the Big Red 1 told me that we were not there for the Oil, as he thought before he was there, but that from what he saw over there, we were there for the contracts and the contractors

monger
monger
  Warren
May 27, 2019 1:46 pm

filthy lucre ? say it isn’t so

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  Warren
May 28, 2019 4:26 am

Very perceptive nephew you have. It’s all the bottom line.

yahsure
yahsure
May 27, 2019 2:18 pm

Those new army commercials looking for “warriors” make me ill. It would be different if we actually fought wars to win, or that they were being fought for a decent reason. I believe the draft is a good thing. Then everyone has a toe in the action and has something to lose. It would seriously stop all these stupid neverending wars we have now. Instead “others” fight these wars far away and out of most peoples day to day lives.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  yahsure
May 28, 2019 4:30 am

There is some truth in that about the draft. The anti-war movement of the left in the ’60s was all about saving their own asses. That’s why many entered college, to delay deployment as long as possible. If there weren’t a draft at the time, they could have cared less, just like today.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
May 27, 2019 2:35 pm
Sisofia
Sisofia
  grace country pastor
May 28, 2019 4:57 am

That left me me speechless and somewhat unerved but thank you for that clip.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Sisofia
May 28, 2019 9:31 am

You’re most welcome.

Bill Johnson
Bill Johnson
May 28, 2019 10:41 am

The war mongers in DC and their masters will NEVER stop, and I have little faith in the average voter to see through the propaganda.
Suggestion: Maybe the only way this will stop is to convince the deplorables to stop sending/encouraging their young uns to participate in these endless money making expeditions.