Punished Regardless

Guest Post by Eric Peters

Did you know that when you’re stopped for no reason at a drunk driving checkpoint – well, stopped for no reason having anything to do with something you did to suggest you might be “drunk” – your refusal to participate in self-incrimination can result in your arrest, loss of your government permission slip to travel as well as the impounding of your car?

Your “cooperation” is not only appreciated – it is required.

This not-much-discussed aspect of Checkpoint USA is arguably even worse than the existence of Checkpoint USA – which came into being in the ’80s, when the government decided to re-interpret the limits of its own authority (a problem with government) by summarily decreeing it to be “reasonable” to randomly and arbitrarily stop people and treat them as presumptively guilty of having committed a crime.

The thing George Mason and others who insisted on the Bill of Rights as their condition for reluctantly supporting the dodgy Constitution (which was confected by an elitist minority, behind closed doors and without any mandate from “the people” mentioned in the Declaration of Independence) feared would come to pass had come to pass.

Despite the Bill and its very lucid delineation of the the lines across which the government has no rightful authority to tread, the government simply “interpreted” the line more to its liking – at its pleasure.

The government became the arbiter of its own power almost as soon as the ink on the Constitution dried – limiting first freedom of speech (Alien & Sedition acts) and many other formerly sacrosanct rights of the people – including freedom of association and the freedom to actually own property – during the ensuing years.

In the ’80s, it cast aside the Bill of Rights’ very clear prohibition of unreasonable searches – which by any etymological standard encompasses the arbitrary and random searching of everyone who just happens to be available.

But it’s not just being forced to stop without your having given reason to warrant it – or forced to submit to a search just because the government is powerful and you are not.

In many states, there is the additional requirement in law that, if ordered to do so by an armed government worker, you must perform gymnastics by the side of the road to demonstrate you are not “drunk.” Or breathe into a notoriously inaccurate device which provides evidence that can and will be used against you.

If you decline to perform the roadside gymnastics – for any of several practical and moral reasons, including perhaps because you aren’t coordinated and are nervous and the prospect of stumbling in front of the AGW, who will seize that as evidence of your “drunkeness” alarms you . . . or decline to “blow” into the apparatus presented by the AGW because you are aware of the notorious inaccuracy of roadside Breath Tests and prefer not to participate in self-incrimination that way … either is cause by itself for the AGW to apply handcuffs and take you to a cage and your car to an impound lot.

It does not matter that nothing has been proved against you. Your refusal to provide evidence is the evidence.

You are effectively tried, convicted – and punished – for being uncooperative. This has become a very serious de facto offense, even in the absence of any statutory offense.

And the “conviction” sticks even when de jure innocence of any statutory offense – including the “drunk driving” charge you were cuffed and stuffed for – has been established later on.

They win, you lose – regardless.

The person who refuses to cooperate by self-incriminating or who simply objects to the idea of cooperating with those attempting to incriminate him is automatically subject, in many states, to the immediate forfeiture of government permission to travel (i.e., one’s driver’s license) even if it is later determined – as by forced blood draw while in the custody of AGWs – that the victim had zero alcohol in his bloodstream.

It’s only a little bit removed from water-boarding or the use of the Iron Maiden – both of which are probably coming.

The legal concept of subjecting a presumptively innocent person – which used to be every person not actually convicted of a criminal act by a jury after due process of law – to duress in order to suborn his “cooperation” in his own prosecution is literally Medieval. The sort of thing done in dungeons by black robed, hairy-armed inquisitors in the employ of the Church or the King.

Today, the inquisitors wear body armor and have tattoos; are jacked  up on steroids rather than Jesus (though some of them profess that as well) and the duress is administered in a euphemized and bureaucratized manner intended to make it seem All Right.

But it is not All Right for state authority especially to subject an innocent person – whatever you may think he’s done – to hot irons and thumbscrews or any other form of duress in  order to make it easier to prosecute him.

And it is far worse to apply punishment to a presumptively innocent person for objecting to being treated as though presumptively guilty – who insists on being proved guilty of something other than being “uncooperative” before the state applies punishment.

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27 Comments
Jack Lovett
Jack Lovett
June 9, 2019 9:44 pm

Why do I hate gov and all the parasites that make up that sick garbage? That’s why I am a anarchist.

niebo
niebo
June 9, 2019 11:26 pm

As Hollywood Rob would say: Yes

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  niebo
June 9, 2019 11:58 pm

Yes.

BB
BB
  niebo
June 10, 2019 12:16 am

I think Meatballs is a witch ! He make wands for …. somebody .

M G
M G
June 10, 2019 5:49 am

Two years ago I stepped out of our car, enraged because the City of Cape’s police were taking advantage of some construction on Broadway to just walk up and down the sidewalk kind of looking into people’s cars. I realized what they were doing and told my husband that was against the law.

“They are the law,” he said.

A bit of debate ensued (that got a bit testy) and I dramatically stepped out of our truck and onto the pavement to prove the cops, as describe by the author above, were NOT the law. (I blame that Holly chick who supposedly paid a whopping fine for freely speaking here on TBP. She inspired me.)

I ended up in handcuffs in a car wash parking lot with my husband explaining about my shunt and telling them he was taking me to the hospital to get it checked. They carried me to the emergency room, where I spent twelve hours under observation for refusing to get into a police car when walking down a public street rather than submit myself to unwarranted violation of the search and seizure principle.

I believe if my husband had not convinced them I was off my rocker because I am a hydro-head (as we hydro-heads call ourselves in our little meetings), I would have ended up in jail for trying to walk to my lawyers’ office. That is where we were headed in the first place to do some work on the trust we are building for the boys. By the time I’d evaded the cops for ten minutes or so and they surrounded me in a car wash parking lot on Kingshighway, I was enraged and spitting some really filthy invective at policemen trying to manhandle an old lady in a housedress with leggings (I like the Mennonite look).

My attorney, a full partner in a law firm on Kingshighway in spite of his youth (nephew of a friend) said if it hadn’t been for my filthy language and erratic behavior, they might have just let me go with my husband. Instead of suing them, he suggested we just let it go because there was no way to win unless I wanted to take it to appeal after spending a lot of money and time on the effort and losing at the local level. And, he told me honestly (which is rare in a lawyer, but she was a good friend and we both loved her and hate the cancer that took her) I probably would not win on appeal either.

Sigh… damned it you do and jailed if you don’t.

Oh, and my husband and Mr. Peters here are right.

THEY are the law.

credit
credit
  M G
June 10, 2019 8:14 am

Only for a while longer…

M G
M G
  credit
June 10, 2019 11:22 am

I hope you are correct, credit.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  M G
June 10, 2019 10:59 am

When you live in a lawless Police State, you have to stay below the radar….

M G
M G
  pyrrhus
June 10, 2019 11:22 am

I didn’t know I lived in a Police State until that happened. I thought I made it into Free Territory after leaving the Military Industrial Complex in Oklahoma.

No rules equals chaos
No rules equals chaos
  M G
June 10, 2019 1:05 pm

You can walk down the side of the road and peer in car windows from a public place or from private property you own or have consent to be on too.
It’s called plain view.
Nothing unlawful about that.
You anarchists are nuts.

John Galt
John Galt
  No rules equals chaos
June 12, 2019 8:46 am

They made laws banning tinted windows so everything is now in plain view. Thats why i always carry a blanket in my car. Its no longer plain view. Fuck em

Horseless Headsman
Horseless Headsman
  M G
June 10, 2019 5:22 pm

Hey M G
Are you in MO? The description sounds familiar.

M G
M G
  Horseless Headsman
June 10, 2019 6:16 pm

You are correct… I live in the suburbs of the sticks somewhere between Patton Junction, The Castor River and Lutesville and travel to Cape Girardeau off and on, as business takes us there.

The Big Muddy is supposed to crest tomorrow. I have business there.

Bilco
Bilco
June 10, 2019 7:58 am

Just one more reason why I despise government. I was just talking to a group of friends the other day about this same shit. Of course they all nodded in agreement,but the deer in the headlight look’s were still apparent. There really is only one way to deal with what is happening with AGW”s I avoid them at all costs. Being retired and living very rural does make that easier. I have to this point in life never needed one or called one. When I do have to travel to the small city to the south of me.I make it a quick a visit as possible. All they are to me is revenue seekers,and I will do everything possible to not allow them to hassle or bleed me.

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 10, 2019 8:26 am

You are free to make a U-turn and leave the enforcement area. There is usually at least one cop looking for the run-aways. Once you have left the area they can’t force you to do a sobriety test. They will make you believe they can but stick to your rights, they can’t if you keep your mouth shut and refuse to play along.

M G
M G
  Anonymous
June 10, 2019 9:26 am

I could not keep my filthy hillbilly mouth shut that day in Cape. I’ve learned how.

Mygirl...maybe
Mygirl...maybe
  M G
June 10, 2019 1:56 pm

Pick and chose your battles. You cannot win against the cops and there’s also a very distinct possibility that you may receive grievous bodily harm and the asshole inflicting said harm will walk away scot free.

M G
M G
  Mygirl...maybe
June 10, 2019 6:18 pm

I found that out the “hard” way. Those handcuffs can be placed on your wrists in a way that hurts like hell even when no one touches you.

I grew enraged that they would not just let me WALK down the sidewalk. They insisted I be transported. A 54 year old woman who had shown them her military ID (retired) and her lawyer’s card and said she just wanted to walk there. Less than a mile.

It made me angry. And no one wants to talk to me when I’m angry.

YourAverageJoe
YourAverageJoe
June 10, 2019 10:04 am

If I’m ever selected for a jury in a DWI case where the accused had blood drawn by force, I will employ nullification, and will not bend to the other jurors not of like-mind.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
June 10, 2019 10:54 am

When you live in a Communist country like the US, such outrages are routine….

Stucky
Stucky
June 10, 2019 11:17 am

“The thing George Mason and others who insisted on the Bill of Rights ….”

“Fuck George Mason!! Fuck the Bill of Rights!!!”
—– Copfuk in your hometown

M G
M G
  Stucky
June 10, 2019 11:23 am

And I have that on film. (Sarcasm intended. Howdy, Stuckenmeister, you old path blaster.) My Shirley Godbunny passed away last night, peacefully in her sleep and not suddenly like most of her children over the past several years.

Since she was Queen Bunny here, she got a funeral pyre and full cremation. (I no longer name rabbits, but I still have Scrapper, the buck who survived the cast-off crib* and got purchased by me five years ago when the other buck could no longer perform.

“Cast off crib: A bunny farmer down the way (there’s a bunch of us around here) just tosses all his meat bucks into a large dog crate and they fight it out until someone buys one for ten dollars, then the farmer “dresses” it. Which is a really ironic term for what he then does to it.

The bucks fight constantly when in the cage like that together. They go for one another’s testicles to chew them off in order to dominate the loser. The farmer told me he didn’t mind selling me one “undressed” for $5, but I would need to check and see if he had both testicles.

I did and the second one I picked up had them both, as far as I could tell with my untrained hand. I truly had not expected to have to get intimate with the new buck right away, but one has to do what one has to do. I purchased and brought Scrapper home. So, he will also get full cremation.

After that?

All bets are off.

Mygirl...maybe
Mygirl...maybe
  M G
June 10, 2019 1:58 pm

That’s ghastly….sorry, HSF posted that hideous animal abuse video and now you post this. That farmer is one sick fuck….

EC
EC
  Mygirl...maybe
June 10, 2019 2:55 pm

If you are calling HSF a sick fuck, that is totally unjustified. You are going Hollywood Rob on HF. That shit is contagious, apparently. However, I understand. You got a serious whipping as a noob and now you act like an abused dog, you want to snap at everybody.

M G
M G
  EC
June 10, 2019 6:33 pm

Now, don’t go jumping into the land of confusion.

She’s mad at that hick down the road from me.

She’s right… now that I think about it. He could keep them in separate cages, I bet, fairly easily. I have extra cages and so does he.

Since I am going to go and buy one of his big black does to see if I can’t get me some nice spotted pelts (she ain’t gonna like what I’m gonna do with those either), maybe I’ll suggest he do just that with the males.

M G
M G
  Mygirl...maybe
June 10, 2019 6:29 pm

Sorry, he is just seliling meat rabbits and other animals easily raised for cash sales. I don’t really worry about that cage of male rabbits going at one another. They aren’t usually many, because he grows some really nice big rabbits and if his sign is out, people stop and buy them.

Then, he dresses them. Like I do mine.

M G
M G
June 10, 2019 6:42 pm