$2 Million Bathroom

Guest Post by John Stossel

Did you see the $2 million dollar bathroom? That’s what New York City government spent to build a “comfort station” in a park.

I went to look at it.

There were no gold-plated fixtures. It’s just a little building with four toilets and four sinks.

I asked park users, “What do you think that new bathroom cost?”

A few said $70,000. One said $100,000. One said, “I could build it for $10,000.”

They were shocked when I told them what the city spent.

No park bathroom needs to cost $2 million. An entire six-bedroom house nearby was for sale for $539,000.

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Everything costs more when government builds it.

“Government always pays above-average prices for below-average work,” says my friend who makes a living privatizing government activities.

–Obamacare’s website was supposed to cost $464 million. It cost $834 million and still crashed.

–Washington, D.C.’s Visitor Center rose in cost from $265 million to $621 million.

–The Veterans Affairs medical center being built near Denver was projected to cost $590 million. Now they estimate $1.7 billion.

Government spends more because every decision is tied up in endless rules. Rigid specs. Affirmative action. Minority outreach. Wheelchair access. “The process is designed to prevent any human from using judgment, or adapting to unforeseen circumstances,” says Philip Howard of the government reform group Common Good, adding, “The idea of a commercial relationship, based on norms of reasonableness and reciprocity, is anathema.”

But New York City’s bureaucrats are unapologetic about their $2 million toilet. The Parks Department even put out a statement saying, “Our current estimate to build a new comfort station with minimal site work is $3 million.”

“$3 million?!” I said to New York City Parks Commissioner Mitchell Silver, incredulously.

“New York City is the most expensive place to build,” he replied. As a result, “$2 million was a good deal.”

I pointed out that entire homes sell for less. He said, “We built these comfort stations to last. … (L)ook at the material we use compared to that of a home. These are very, very durable materials.”

They have to be, he says, because the bathroom gets so much use. “We’re going to expect thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of visitors. … So we have to build it to last.”

Yet not far away, Bryant Park has a bathroom that gets much more use. That bathroom cost just $300,000. Why the difference?

Bryant Park is privately managed.

New York politicians also order contractors to pay “prevailing” wages. That usually means union wages, and that adds 13-25 percent to all bills.

When I asked Commissioner Silver about that, he said, “This is a city that does believe strongly in labor.”

New York Democrats act as if “labor” means union labor. It’s an insult to laborers. Most don’t belong to unions. Unions, however, fund Democrats’ campaigns.

Since government spends other people’s money, they don’t care that much about cost and they certainly don’t care much about speed. Many Parks Department projects are years behind schedule.

Commissioner Silver says he’s made improvements. “We’ve now saved five months out of what used to be four years.”

“That’s still terrible!” I said.

“We believe strongly in engaging the public,” he replied. “We have a process that includes design, procurement and construction.”

But so does the private sector, which gets the job done faster.

Silver added: “[Privately managed] Bryant Park did a renovation. … (W)e do it from the ground up!”

But no one forced the city to build from the ground up. Anyway, renovation can cost as much as new construction. Governments just spend more.

Sometimes, people get so fed up that they take matters into their own hands.

Toronto’s government estimated that a tiny staircase for a park would cost $65,000-$150,000.

So a local citizen installed a staircase himself.

Cost? $550.

Did the bureaucrats thank him? No. They say they will tear his staircase down. Can’t have private citizens doing things for themselves.

Because private builders save so much money on staircases and bathrooms, imagine what we could save if government turned construction of government housing, airports and roads over to the private sector.

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BB
BB
July 26, 2017 1:53 pm

Somebody in New York city government got paid big money to approve this.Just follow the money and eventually you’ll find the Politicians or bureaucrats involved.

Miles Long
Miles Long
  BB
July 26, 2017 10:14 pm

Dont forget the union bosses.

Anon
Anon
July 26, 2017 1:54 pm

Imagine if government did not have guns to steal our money, and actually had to ask our permission to take our hard earned money? Man, how efficiency would improve. When you can commit armed robbery, what do you care if it costs more. Just stick up the people again, at gun point of course. And, if you cannot squeeze blood out of the turnip, just print the currency.
We have been having this discussion about government since the Reagan brought up the cost of toilets in the 80’s yet nothing changes. Because everyone wants their free lunch, and now we just print the lunch….the question then becomes, what happens when even printing no longer makes the lunch free?

WIP
WIP
July 26, 2017 2:15 pm

Man, I gots to get me sum o dat gubamint muny!! Straight up cuz!!

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 26, 2017 3:05 pm

People in NYC don’t need to worry about money, they’ve got all kinds of it.

CCRider
CCRider
July 26, 2017 3:06 pm

Stossel loves this Mickey Mouse shit. Wake me when he does something meaningful on the Fed or Saudi/Israeli influence.

Maggie
Maggie
July 26, 2017 4:41 pm

There is zero accountability in government bureaucratic procedures. All they have to do to an executive decision is WAIT IT OUT. New election means new boss, technically. But the real process is engraved in the character of the bureaucRATs, whose decision to abide by or ignore a newly elected superior’s desires for legislation, say a repeal of a poorly constructed healthcare law for example?, can make or break the intent of the law by simply hiding behind procedural delays. I.e., “I’m so sorry we were not able to implement the changes in time to save YOU from having to pay twice. The overpayment will be refunded to you in 90 days.” The government toadies who confine the sum total of their knowledge about life to a philosophical understanding of the numbered regulations that govern their daily behavior and social interactions with other government toadies surveying the world through eyes set in two dimensional assessment. (RiNS, have you read Flatland yet?)

For you new lurkers and visitors to TBP? That is what we here at TBP call a drive by shoutout. Rob in Nova Scotia is one of my pack here at the platform. As are a few others who I follow in this same manner. Admin’s blog allows one to see the most recent comments and by whom each are made. So, if I pop on in the early morning hours and see that El Coyote has been on and made some comments in an article or two, I can jump to those comments and revisit a conversation or line of thought I was discussing with EC or BL or Yo or whichever monkey team I am assigned to be den mother should the shit actually ever HIT the fan. So, RiNS, whose life circumstances have made him the survivor of the Titanic who received a warning about an iceberg ahead and did exactly what he was supposed to do: Passed the warning UP to where it should go, then saw the consequences of a warning ignored kill dozens and hundreds of his friends and coworkers in a small mining community where a cover up through the mishandling of witnesses and evidence was easy to orchestrate.

So, in his comment, I look for references to information that contributes to my body of information about RiNS. I either reply to a comment of HIS or comment on the topic in general. This feature of TBP, designed and implemented by The Man With No Name, makes it a great place to blog. In fact, now that I realize it is Web Log and that “blog” is an almost Orwellian abbreviation, I am really careful to limit my conversations with cyber people to those I have known for the longest time and can be pretty certain I’m not being doppleganged. If you don’t understand the DoppleGang theory of TBP, search for it. I’m sure there were a number of articles about it when Stucky started screwing around with a couple of TBP regulars and Doppling on TBP became a fad. Then, the orchestrated Shitfest on some hapless asshole who’d linked from a ZeroHedge article and decided to pick a bad day to make an ignorant criticism of the TBP Holy of Holies: Fourth Turning related 30 Blocks articles. The asshole would be allowed, perhaps ENCOURAGED, to insult Admin a bit more before Quinn had time to catch up on his day’s reading after driving through that shithole somewhere in Pittsburg. By the time Admin had time to type in his “I don’t give a rat’s ass what you think” reply, several of the Big Dogs would have already been taunting the asshole, making him say even more crap to validate he was indeed a POMPOUS asshole, not just some random idiot who was trying to figure out how to BUILD a platform for burning trash. Because, honestly, Admin? I think some of the folks who have visited here from time to time really didn’t belong to this time.

But, for whatever reason, most of us have settled into a mood of “waiting for lefty” with one eye on TBP to see when the fan has been shat upon.

AC
AC
July 26, 2017 4:50 pm

The breakdown was $50,000 for the bathroom, and $1,950,000 for the corruption.

Cricket
Cricket
July 26, 2017 6:23 pm

A man in Toronto recently shamed City Hall regarding the installation of a set of stairs in a nearby park. Toronto estimated the stairs would cost as much as $150,000 and it would take months or years until they could get around to installing them in the park. Out of frustration, the man spent $550 on lumber and materials and with his own labour and the help of a homeless man, built the needed stairs in less than a day.

Because no bureaucrat can abide a subject doing something outside of government control, the city tore down the steps within a couple days, in the early morning so no one would see, claiming the man’s steps failed to meet building codes. The man may have lost the battle, but he may yet win the war. The city conceded the needed steps could be built for around $10,000 and the mayor has vowed to get them installed in a week.
http://nationalpost.com/news/toronto/toronto-tears-down-elderly-mans-550-staircase-promises-to-build-new-ones-for-10000/wcm/fe0c3bff-788d-4cd8-b8ba-075e2b21bf49

http://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/canada-news-pmn/city-removes-homemade-stairs-in-toronto-park-promises-new-set-of-stairs/wcm/d2662aba-8399-4c74-b7bf-cf63d730924e

Wip
Wip
  Cricket
July 26, 2017 6:46 pm

Now THAT’S a good story.

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
July 26, 2017 6:52 pm

Union scale wages and benefits are a pimple on the ass of government contracts . No protests about government employees retiring with benefits in their mid 50’s till recent years with gaurentees from government that they will rape pillage and plunder taxpayers to live up to that pie in the sky unrealistic pension till some of us actually did the 3rd grade math and said you guys are out of luck when the money runs out because we are taped out !
Knowing people in the business of contracting for government jobs and the bidding process , there is a reason they are known in the 495 beltway around D.C. as ” BELTWAY BANDITS”
Most of these contractors will whine about paying scale until it is part of a profit margerine covering that new boat or Bently for the Misses !
How do you think I got the tag Boat Guy ? I set up new and repaired and replaced equipment on some of the biggest boats belonging to some of the biggest bandits . Many with their pictures framed with Bush & Obama left right up down they could care less as long as the checks roll in and the change orders allow them to double down on that original bid . Then there is the joke insiders have about certified payroll they laugh till they wet their pants in many cases !
There are good straight shooters in the bidding for these contracts but the outfit with the people that know how to work the systems for change orders usually cut the ligitamate bidders throat in the first round !
Now you have another reason Washington DC is known as the “DISTRICT OF CORRUPTION”

Maggie
Maggie
  Boat Guy
July 26, 2017 7:14 pm

I get it Boat Guy. I visit an old friend in Columbia, Md each year and I am fully aware of the terrible stranglehold the unions have on contractors and the Federal government.

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
July 26, 2017 9:08 pm

You got me wrong Maggie unions scale wages paid and paved they way for the bulk of the middle class in America and the taxes on those wages covered the government employees and as those jobs dried up the federal government fired up the printing press and here we are 20 trillion over budget with $200 trillion of Demands on lowpay service jobs but it was the Union stranglehold not the Wall Street profit pirates that destroyed American industry and the tax base it once was !
Please get out your calculator and look at the pressures on blue collar journeyman . You need to make $65 an hour to cover what $10 covered in 1980 . Retirement and Health insurence is all on the working person . Yes some have a 401K the biggest rip off going you put up all the funds take 100% of the risk and at maturity you end up with 30% of the profits again get out that calculator and make sure there is no link to a federal office of management and budget now there are some failures at 3rd grade math . Low wages and bad companies are making it impossible to get by so expect another labor movement , a violent one !

JerseyCynic
JerseyCynic
  Boat Guy
July 27, 2017 4:54 am

Excellent reBUTTal, Boat Guy

Maggie
Maggie
  Boat Guy
July 27, 2017 11:34 am

I don’t think you and I disagree. I believe you are focused on the middle class family relationship with unions and corporate mismanagement while I am more recently familiar with the corruption in the contract award process our government hands out cherries and plums to its biggest ass kissers.

Overthecliff
Overthecliff
July 26, 2017 10:21 pm

Same shit as Illinois.

Llpoh
Llpoh
July 27, 2017 5:10 am

Boat – the middle class was always an unsustainable mirage. The middle class was by definition those from the 25th to the 75 percentile. A lot of those folks were dumb as rocks and unskilled.

They lived off manufacturing jobs, which employed have the workers in the country. Automation killed those jobs, and was always going to. If half the workrrs were still in manufacturing there would be 80 million workers in manufacturing, not the ten million there are now. And no, 70 million jobs did not go overseas. They disappeared to automation.

So what can low skilled, not very smart folks do to earn $70k a year? Ummm, nothing, really. Maybe a gubmint job. No one will pay $70k fot stupid and unskilled. Unions or not, those unskilled folks are doomed.

A violent labor movement will only make things worse. Burning down your house will not help you get a better one.

There are some answers, but there is not a will to implement them.

The old middle class are now welfare and debt addicted. They are not going to revolt. Until the whole shebang collapses. Then they will revolt – but to no purpose nor end.

Maggie
Maggie
  Llpoh
July 27, 2017 11:36 am

I think I meant what you said.

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
July 27, 2017 8:24 am

Unskilled labor in this country will always struggle as in most countries . I am speaking to the skilled people the brick layer , carpenter , plumber , electrician , HVAC in to many cases they have been replaced by lower trained illegals with one person directing them . My point is those situations do not provide the tax base for growth and prosperity and the debt clock proves my point every second . The scream for higher minimum wage issues are not from the traditional entry level workers like students or moms going back to work once the kids are all in school . People have been forced economically to support themselves on entry level jobs . While the stock market is going up and the investor class are popping champagne corks and purchasing Tesla’s and government employees are insulated from the real economic turmoils and retiring in their mid 50’s though that to is fading your solid family homes in America are being foreclosed upon on all sides . To blame the entire dilemma of the American middle class on low skilled dummies is to say the least short sited and the most a line of shit dribbled out by people profiting from the demise !

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Boat Guy
July 27, 2017 8:48 am

Boat guy – I was once involved in a large study. The study showed skilled illegals were paid as well as US citizens. Funny that. It is a common misconception that skilled illegals undercut citizens. Turns out that is not true. Unskilled illegals work cheap, but not skilled. Skills pays, no matter who you are or where you are from.

razzle
razzle
  Llpoh
July 27, 2017 11:46 am

— “The study showed skilled illegals were paid as well as US citizens.”

Then that means they were undercutting the US citizens from the employer’s perspective. As an employer you know that a legal employee costs more to the business than their precise wage. So no matter which way you cut it, the illegal is either a better deal for the employer *or* is retaining more of their wages due to not paying taxes after.

If the illegal and legal worker costs the employer $15 an hour, the illegal worker comes out ahead in take home pay require either additional job or additional hours to match the illegal’s income.

If the illegal and legal worker take home $15 an hour (even ignoring taxes), the legal worker still has additional cost overheads the employer has to pay which makes the flat $15 illegal more cost effective.

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
  Llpoh
July 27, 2017 5:32 pm

Llpoh the corruption in contracting that hires illegals and the people who think it makes no difference are a big problem in our country . Illegals should not be hired for anything and should always be hampered to reside in our country and arrested at every oppurtunity