FOURTH TURNING ECONOMICS (PART TWO)

In Part One of this article I laid out the unsustainable economic conditions which will drive the next phase of this Fourth Turnings and detailed the economic factors which drove the previous three American Fourth Turnings.

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Strauss and Howe, when writing The Fourth Turning in 1997, did not know the exact circumstances and events which would propel the next Turning. But their study of economic and demographic trends along with the attitudes of generations and historical precedents in prior Fourth Turnings, led them to conclude the driving factors of this Crisis would be debt, global disorder and civic decay.

As I watch what is currently happening in this country and around the world, it is evident to me they nailed it. The volcanic eruption in 2008 unleashed a torrent of molten lava, which continues to flow along channels of distress, but is currently threatening to burst free of these channels and wreak worldwide financial and physical devastation. A multitude of possibilities described by Strauss and Howe below are already happening or will happen in the next few years.

“Imagine some national (and probably global) volcanic eruption, initially flowing along channels of distress that were created during the Unraveling era and further widened by the catalyst. Trying to foresee where the eruption will go once it bursts free of the channels is like trying to predict the exact fault line of an earthquake. All you know in advance is something about the molten ingredients of the climax, which could include the following:

    • Economic distress, with public debt in default, entitlement trust funds in bankruptcy, mounting poverty and unemployment, trade wars, collapsing financial markets, and hyperinflation (or deflation)
    • Social distress, with violence fueled by class, race, nativism, or religion and abetted by armed gangs, underground militias, and mercenaries hired by walled communities
    • Political distress, with institutional collapse, open tax revolts, one-party hegemony, major constitutional change, secessionism, authoritarianism, and altered national borders
    • Military distress, with war against terrorists or foreign regimes equipped with weapons of mass destruction” 

 The Fourth Turning – Strauss & Howe

The economic, social, political, and military distress pervading the world should be terrifying the average American, but most are blissfully ignorant of the coming anguish when the best laid plans of central bankers and corrupt politicians blow up once again and plunge the world into global depression. The immense mountain of debt has been built on the backs of humanity by evil sociopaths rigging the system to benefit themselves and their billionaire benefactors.

The United States, along with virtually every “developed” country, are effectively bankrupt. The $200 trillion of unfunded Federal liabilities can never be paid. States have accumulated over $6 trillion of unfunded pension liabilities and billions more in health care related liabilities. With an economy supposedly booming, according to Trump, we are running deficits exceeding $1 trillion. When the imminent recession unfolds over the coming year, deficits will skyrocket towards $2 trillion.

This expansion of debt is unsustainable, but the Fed is trapped and pushing on a string. Ten years of easy money heroine injections into the arms of Wall Street bankers and mega-corporation executives have left the .1% enriched, while people living in the real world have been left cash poor and dependent upon their credit cards and seven-year auto loans to maintain their fake lifestyles.

Despite the bullshit propaganda unemployment rate propagated by government apparatchiks and obediently parroted by the corporate media, people in the real world know their wages haven’t kept up with the real inflation rate for the last twenty years. When 40% of the working age population doesn’t work and the propagandists report a 3.7% unemployment rate, it takes a supreme level of willful ignorance to swallow that big lie. The feeling of cognitive dissonance among the populace is creating a nation of angry, disillusioned, frustrated victims.

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The fake news corporate media have successfully used their propaganda machine to convince the public a surging stock market means the economy is doing great. Despite corporate profits being flat for the last four years, corporate stock buybacks (using debt), Trump’s corporate tax cuts, and Federal Reserve easy money, have propelled the stock market to all-time highs. The Fed proved they are Wall Street’s bitch by cutting rates with the market at all-time highs and unemployment supposedly near all-time lows.

This is an acknowledgement the “great economy” is fake news. The economy is on the verge of recession. The most overvalued stock market in history has reached a tipping point. Global economies, propped up with negative interest rates, are already in recession. The global trade war is hurting all parties and is pushing those countries most impacted towards drastic measures.

The multitude of stresses impacting the nation and the world are building up along fault lines created over decades of bad decision making, deferred action, political corruption, Wall Street greed, corporate hegemony, media propaganda, and willful ignorance by a dumbed down technologically distracted populace. Once the economy falters and the stock market crashes for the third time in twenty years, an earthquake of epic proportions will devastate the minimal savings of the working class and give rise to tens of millions of angry desperate citizens.

If a deflationary wave sweeps across the globe, our debt saturated world will shatter and a global depression will create economic havoc and lead to a catastrophic outcome. This would lead countries to lash out militarily to either distract their suffering citizens or to seek retribution against countries they feel have wronged them.

The military build-up in countries across the globe in the last ten years has created a global powder-keg, with lunatic leaders lighting matches. Extreme economic distress always leads to war. And war during this Fourth Turning will include nuclear arms in the hands of many countries, rather than just one in the previous Fourth Turning. The implications are terrifying.

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The social and political distress we are presently experiencing are already tearing the fabric of civil society. Politicians on the left are promising trillions more in freebies, with absolutely no plan to pay the bill. They have no intention of deterring anyone from crossing our southern border illegally. They see them as added votes in future elections. They use every mass shooting by mentally disturbed individuals as an opportunity to confiscate the guns of the law abiding “deplorables” in flyover country. They ignore the flood of mental illness created by a society promoting degeneracy, hate of traditional family values, and defamation of men. Public schools are nothing more than indoctrination centers for depravity and left-wing social policies.

The left-wing corporate media stokes the flames of societal distress by making every issue racial. Screaming racism or white supremacy at every opportunity creates anger on both sides and will lead to further violence. If a democrat wins the 2020 presidential election and tries to restrict the 2nd Amendment, all hell will break loose in this country. Trying to pry 300 million fire arms from “deplorables” will be a bridge too far. We are fifteen months from an election which will likely ignite civil chaos in this country of confrontation. It doesn’t matter who wins, the losers will not accept the result.

There is no possibility of compromise between the left and right on any issues, other than agreeing to spend more of your money. I have an overwhelming feeling of foreboding about the unrelenting forces pushing the world towards economic collapse and military confrontation. By the 12th year of the last Fourth Turning, America was at war with foes on opposite sides of the world. Economic factors were the driving force. We are approaching the 11th anniversary of the onset of this current Crisis.

Based on history, we are likely to have five to ten more years before this Crisis is resolved and the existing social order swept away and replaced by something new. When this house of cards, built on a foundation of unpayable debt, gives way, the tragic consequences will propel the world towards a bloody climax. Strauss & Howe pondered four possible outcomes, with only one being relatively positive. The peaceful episode of this Crisis is winding down. We are exiting the eye of a category 5 hurricane. The apocalyptic chapter is about to unfold. I don’t think I’m prepared. Are you?

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Strauss & Howe provide four possible outcomes to our current Crisis:

  1. This Fourth Turning could mark the end of man. It could be an omnicidal Armageddon, destroying everything, leaving nothing. If mankind ever extinguishes itself, this will probably happen when its dominant civilization triggers a Fourth Turning that ends horribly. For this Fourth Turning to put an end to all this would require an extremely unlikely blend of social disaster, human malevolence, technological perfection and bad luck.
  2. The Fourth Turning could mark the end of modernity. The Western saecular rythm – which began in the mid-fifteenth century with the Renaissance – could come to an abrupt terminus. The seventh modern saeculum would be the last. This too could come from total war, terrible but not final. There could be a complete collapse of science, culture, politics, and society. Such a dire result would probably happen only when a dominant nation (like today’s America) lets a Fourth Turning ekpyrosis engulf the planet. But this outcome is well within the reach of foreseeable technology and malevolence.
  3. The Fourth Turning could spare modernity but mark the end of our nation. It could close the book on the political constitution, popular culture, and moral standing that the word America has come to signify. The nation has endured for three saecula; Rome lasted twelve, the Soviet Union only one. Fourth Turnings are critical thresholds for national survival. Each of the last three American Crises produced moments of extreme danger: In the Revolution, the very birth of the republic hung by a thread in more than one battle. In the Civil War, the union barely survived a four-year slaughter that in its own time was regarded as the most lethal war in history. In World War II, the nation destroyed an enemy of democracy that for a time was winning; had the enemy won, America might have itself been destroyed. In all likelihood, the next Crisis will present the nation with a threat and a consequence on a similar scale.
  4. Or the Fourth Turning could simply mark the end of the Millennial Saeculum. Mankind, modernity, and America would all persevere. Afterward, there would be a new mood, a new High, and a new saeculum. America would be reborn. But, reborn, it would not be the same.
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The U.S. is a Donkey Show
The U.S. is a Donkey Show

Good God Admin. I’ve been reading this blog since 2008. I remember our first conversation and our first email exchange. You sent me, as well as many others, a Ron Paul CD. Ron Paul made so much sense and when mixed with all the excellent content of TBP, I felt I had found my home. Sounds a bit sappy but tis true.

No, I am not prepared.

Stucky

I’m not prepared either. Really. And I’m not going to. Too old for all that shit.

Hope is my strategy. And if Hope fails, I’ll eat a bullet for dinner.

I’m also sorta kinda hoping that GCP’s wack-a-doodle charts turn out to be true; Jesus returns, raptures Christians, and comes back to rule the Earf for a thousand years of pure bliss, harmony, and no global warming.

America is a Donkey Show
America is a Donkey Show

I’m tellin you Stucky, you’re the straw that stirs the drink around here. I told you GCP had a role to fill on TBP.

John Galt
John Galt

Stucky, many people like you have already decided in giving one bullet to 17 other fuckers that deserve it when that time hits? The idea of giving up and not trying to make the people that caused it all get away with no repercussions pisses me off. Kinda like the civil war when the militia was asked to fire just 2 bullets then they could retreat. Same goes here. If everyone that decides to eat a bullet would just send two and eat the third we just might come out of this on the other side.

The U.S. is a Donkey Show
The U.S. is a Donkey Show

Imagine if all the boomers did that.

I see trees of green, red roses too
I see them bloom for me and you
And I think to myself what a wonderful world

I see skies of blue and clouds of white
The bright blessed day, the dark sacred night
And I think to myself what a wonderful world

The colors of the rainbow so pretty in the sky
Are also on the faces of people going by
I see friends shaking hands saying how do you do
They’re really saying I love you

I hear babies crying, I watch them grow
They’ll learn much more than I’ll never know
And I think to myself what a wonderful world
Yes I think to myself what a wonderful world

Martin
Martin

That’s an old Louie Armstrong song. Not exactly someone I would define as a boomer, but I take your point, Have a Coke and a smile Kumbayah

8ntractor
8ntractor

yeah I have the album — the way it was suppose to be — listen to it sometimes after too much homemade wine and wonder what the fuck happened.

overthecliff
overthecliff

Bull shit. If I die violently, the bastards must earn it. 2 for one is a poor ratio.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson

We should all “clean off our basement floors” before taking any drastic steps regarding our own demise. In the meantime we should continue to make sure there are no empty spaces on those floors. Keep a case of buck handy for all the good folk neighbors and acquaintances who have that old 12 gauge in the closet but nothing else..

BurntEnds
BurntEnds

Where can I find GCP’s charts?

Ghost

I was walking with my neighbor today, per usual 7 a.m. get up and get moving routine.

I told her I was trying hard to avoid too much news. She stopped walking to tell me exactly what needed to happen to fix this country.

She said, and I quote. “Everyone needs to get on their knees, bow their heads and ask whatever Power in this world they think might help to just help.”

I have to agree that might make a bit of a difference, especially if EVERYONE did it.

Mike West
Mike West

Sticky,

I’m no fan of hypocrites that enslaved others while claiming they cherish liberty. But the minds of the men that formed this country bestowed God’s greatest gift to mankind: sovereignty.

Yeah Lincoln trampled on the Constitution. But he wasn’t alive when it was completely trashed by his generation. I have little sympathy for tyrants claiming tyranny ruined their lives. But those men held the seat of power when the country was formed.

No man bows to oppression willingly. We shouldn’t now, as the slaves who were beaten and killed into submission (their families and traditions eviscerated) wouldn’t allow their descendants to submit either. To bad the very same party that pledged their souls to terrorize non whites, do so oh so subtly today.

Ironically it took Obama for you guys to realize what we folk have known for centuries: tyranny always comes for you. Now you see the threat we have called out vocally since Malcolm X and MLK.

Many blacks and hispanics understand how insidious the Democrats are. Too bad you guys are too ethnically challenged to sway them to join you in beating back the greatest threat to this Constitutional Republic

We will all face this threat alone.

Best of luck to you, for you many of your “enemies” share your dread. Ironically, they too will fight the forces that want to enslave all Americans. Let’s hope they coalesce quickly enough to make a difference (I’m no liberal, or hardly moderate, but millions of moderates are waking up).

It didn’t have to go down this way. But it will nonetheless.

Never give up. God works in mysterious ways.

The U.S. is a Donkey Show
The U.S. is a Donkey Show

I think content overload may be what ails the world and keeps people distracted from focusing on making a great society. That and diversity of all types.

I still say the cellphone is the Mark of the beast.

Horseless Headsman
Horseless Headsman

Good to hear I’m not the only one with no cell phone, smart or otherwise.

Anonymous
Anonymous

In Hebrew letters represent numbers. The letter that represents six is W. So 666 would be WWW.
Amongst other things, the Mark of the Beast is Sunday worship rather than Sabbath (Saturday) worship.

The U.S. is a Donkey Show
The U.S. is a Donkey Show

Anon,

Dude, did I just find another 7th Day Adventist?

Anonymous
Anonymous

Nice piece Jim.
There is some solace in knowing I’m not the only one thinking this is going to be biblical in proportions. We have reached exponential rises across too many systems. Population growth has gone vertical over the last 100 years. The same is true for debt, energy usage, depletion of all resources in the land, sea and air, etc.
When the credit markets lock up (not if) we will understand what the “just in time” delivery of food and other essentials is all about.
Think 4Gs, guns, grub, gold and a getaway. Maybe, just maybe, you’ll make it through to the other side .

Deagel.com US population 100 million in 2025

ragman
ragman

Admin: one of your best ever and I’ve been around here a long fuckin’ time. Normies(most of us) have no idea what’s coming down the pike as we get closer to Nov 2020. Antifa are increasingly acquiring weapons and training with said ARs, AKs, and whatever else they can get their hands on. They are deadly serious in fulfilling their mission to destroy us. They don’t have to be very proficient, they just have to be dedicated. And they are. An AR15 or AK47 clone are accurate, low recoil and relatively easy to master. None of the recent shooters are Carlos Hathcock but they all were able to kill people seemingly at will. The potential for political violence approaching the election next year is astronomical. Be aware of whats coming my friends. Stay safe and keep yer powder dry!

SmallerGovNow
SmallerGovNow

Hate to jump on the thread here but wanted to echo your comments that this is one of Jim’s best… Chip

Anonymous
Anonymous

Oh yea, coming on like a freight train!
1 Prep- food, water, ammo, bug out location
2 Lay low
3 Avoid crowds
4 Stay out of debt
5 Take care of family and friends
In the mean time snap a beer and have a tick of bourbon on the rocks- have to have some fun!

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation

Quick addendum to the above, for those looking to expedite their preparations:

1. a) Water well with either a hand pump or a solar pump.
1. b) Arable land.
1. c) Firearm for the shitter (good shotgun), firearm for close quarters, firearm for range.
3. a) If possible, move to demographically homogeneous locales in either the American Redoubt or the Southern enclaves west of the Appalachians.
4. a) Unsecured debt at the lowest possible rates which enhance smart preparations is not a bad thing. See 1. a) and/or 1. b)

22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor
22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor

I just cleaned and oiled a dozen guns.

They get rusty and dusty unless you work and clean them.

swimologist
swimologist

I have guns I haven’t shot in 15 years. They’re oiled in the plastic boxes they came in, tucked away in a dry environment. They’re neither rusty or dusty.

mark
mark

Swimmer,

I have a cousin who has done the same thing.

Just flex some muscle memory…it will be like riding a bicycle…you don’t want to be all wobbly after TSHTF.

You could easily get shot off your first ride before you get steady again.

llpoh
llpoh

Thanks Admin. First, in paragraph 5 or 6 you say “States have accumulated over $6 billion of unfunded pension liabilities”. Did you mean to write $6 trillion there, as 6 billion seems to little.

Re the 4 possible outcomes, #s 3 and #4 seem most likely. I am leaning toward #3, as from what I am seeing, the nation is already collapsing, perhaps already even gone, given that the Constitution is almost unenforced anymore. As far as I am concerned, without the Constitution, which is in my opinion the greatest ever human achievement, there is no nation as it was founded.

You say above “There is no possibility of compromise between the left and right on any issues, other than agreeing to spend more of your money.” I have come to the point where I no longer believe they are spending more of our money (yes, yes they surely do that, I know), as they are spending vast swathes of money that does not truly exist, and which will never exist, given the enormous sums that simply cannot be repaid.

“If a democrat wins the 2020 presidential election and tries to restrict the 2nd Amendment, all hell will break loose in this country.” I think that is true indeed. Even if a relatively small percentage resist the attempt at confiscation, it would result in a mighty bloodbath and loss of life of not only govt officials but of citizenry.

Your one paragraph, which I post here in entirety, accurately expresses my general beliefs, and given it is an outstanding bit of communication it deserves re-posting continuously. :

“The social and political distress we are presently experiencing are already tearing the fabric of civil society. Politicians on the left are promising trillions more in freebies, with absolutely no plan to pay the bill. They have no intention of deterring anyone from crossing our southern border illegally. They see them as added votes in future elections. They use every mass shooting by mentally disturbed individuals as an opportunity to confiscate the guns of the law abiding “deplorables” in flyover country. They ignore the flood of mental illness created by a society promoting degeneracy, hate of traditional family values, and defamation of men. Public schools are nothing more than indoctrination centers for depravity and left-wing social policies.”

Outstanding job. I am gonna need a stiff drink later, though.

Raider99
Raider99

Spot on!!!

Ghost

Wonderful comment and notes on the article for pondering. thank you…

swimologist
swimologist

Plugz Biden has already said “assault” rifles should be illegal and confiscated.

A
A

Swimmer,

Biden’s and his son’s multiple corruptions should be investigated by a Grand Jury of Shootists, exposed, and his just sentence a Mini 14 shoved up his arse…but no scary ‘AR -15 Assault Rifle’ used in his poetic punishment.

Love a good debate:
WHAT’S SCARIER, AN AR-15 OR A RUGER MINI-14?
https://www.quora.com/Whats-scarier-an-AR-15-or-a-Ruger-Mini-14

(As a water flounder…I have almost drowned twice, I mean really, really close…so I admire that your a water ologist).

If I had an Indian Name it would be: ‘He Who Should Only Wade’.

mark

pyrrhus
pyrrhus

Strauss and Howe pretty much threw everything but the kitchen sink into their predictions of doom, didn’t they? But they still avoided the issue of mass immigration from 3d world countries leading to bankruptcy and war, possibly civil war….too politically incorrect, I think…
Which is why ‘Generations’, their first book, was a far superior product.

Lars Emilsson
Lars Emilsson

If Straus and Howe avoid the issue of jewish control of our country and its corollary issue of immigration that is promoted by jewish money and media and that devastates our country, not so much because it is massive or third-world in origin but because it is non-White and increasingly anti-White in character, then their work, though useful, is incomplete.

Uncola

My best guess would be door # 3. Thanks, Jim. FYI – new piece incoming later tonight…

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation

Agreed, #3 by more than a nose.

Best Post Ever
Best Post Ever

Hey. Did the violence over the weekend stink.

Who writes these “scripts”?

Extremist Violence Project

Research and development.

Nothing on internet or tv is real.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation

“It doesn’t matter who wins, the losers will not accept the result.”

The above is exactly why I feel pressed for time. I was wrong. We don’t have another 5.25 years to prepare; we have 1.25.

“I don’t think I’m prepared. Are you?”

Fully prepared? No. about 60% of the way there? Yes. Still not enough, IMHO.

old white guy
old white guy

I don’t think it is possible to adequately prepare for the destruction of the country. No one, or even a group of like minded people could put away adequate supplies to survive, let alone prevent the tens of millions of starving who will be looking for anything and are prepared to die to take it from anyone who has anything. Most of us do not even have the space to store more than six months of food and water. Reality bites.

mark
mark

old,

Its amazing how much food (long term not rotating from there) we have under our three beds.

Ghost

We stacked boxes of beans and rice and used the stack as a table for months while the log home was built.

Coalclinker
Coalclinker

The scary part of our current Fourth Turning is that America’s enemies are here, and for some, maybe even right next door. Once the factors of economic dissolution kick in, the conflict for what each side deems absolutely necessary for their survival will be here and in your face. America is essentially divided into two factors, Urban and Flyover Country, and neither is particularly prospering right now, and both have been manipulated for many decades now. The loser will be the first side whose living arrangements cannot be maintained, resulting in the total destruction of their social constructs. Who will survive? It will be those who still have access to supplies of food, water, energy, and shelter, and the Government will be of no help as the checks issued by bankrupt entities are largely worthless. The losing side will be the first one who folds. This conflict will be a one of economic attrition and people desperate to keep what they have. There may not even be a shooting war, unless one side tries to curtail the rights of the other by imperial fiat. Ask yourself this: Who is the most vulnerable to disruptions in the chain of supply?

D J
D J

If you know your Strauss-Howe you know the future will be shaped by the Civic, Millenial generation.

Bye, bye Boomers and Silents, clutching to your keyboards in rage at the forming diverse, liberal America of the future.

Just like what FDR created except with tolerance and diversity.

mark
mark

DJ,

Some FDR counter points buddy,

“There are two basic criticisms of FDR, one is economic, the other is political.

His policies prolonged the depression which only ended due to WWII and the full employment we needed to build the weapons needed to win. He tried to control prices from the top down. He even had a tailor jailed for charging 25cents too much for hemming a pair of pants. He forced farmers to destroy crops in a flawed effort to prop up prices….while people were going hungry. He often woke up in the morning and concocted the spot price of gold in his head, disallowing its pricing through the natural forces of supply and demand. He filled his cabinet with academics, professors who had zero experience in the real world. Although he came from a wealthy family, he tried to scapegoat the rich, especially the great philanthropist Andrew Mellon whom he hounded and tried to jail. Thus, we got the start of the Democrats’ class warfare and the hate the rich politics of envy. When judges resisted his authoritarian prosecutions, he tried to stack the Supreme Court with more of his cronies, but fortunately he failed at that attempt to ‘fix’ the scales of justice.

He was soft on Communism. His governmet was full of Marxist-Communist sympathizers, and, at the early 1945 Yalta Conference, he refused to listen to Churchill’s warnings and turned Eastern Europe over to the Soviets – Thus, the Poles, Hungarians, Estonians, etc. were forced to live under oppression which included labor camps, organized starvations and dire poverty.”

There is more.

There is a rumor he knew Pearl Harbor was going to get hit…but thought we needed encouragement to have 400,000 Americans Killed in Action for his buddies the Banksters to get richer. Stealing all of America’s gold wasn’t enough for them to stay in the life style they had gotten use to during the Great Depression (that they created). You do know that, right DJ?

However, I do like his smiling face on Pre-1964 silver dimes and have an ammo can (50 cal.) full of them buried under one of my five rain barrels…now, if I could just remember which one it was…it an’t easy being a Boomer DJ!

John Galt
John Galt

Lets not forget in typical leftist liberal fashion, that its a fact he was a cis gendered cross dressing flaming closeted cross dresser……

Outwitlibs
Outwitlibs

….with a lesbian wife

D J
D J

Is that what you consider witty?

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson

Reality requires no witticism.

splurge
splurge

It usually provides its own.

Homer
Homer

You got that right, Mark. I have been asked which American President was the best and which American President was the worse. The best was the easiest. It would be Geo Washington. The worst is more difficult as there was so many bad ones. I have come to the conclusion after much thought that the worst was Abraham Lincoln with FDR running in close second. It wasn’t that they didn’t do good, they did. It was that what they did bad had significant repercussions for the future of America, detrimental to our Constitutional freedoms and the philosophical basis for the founding of this nation.

Expediency is the bane of our deliberations from which evil springs forth.

javelin
javelin

Woodrow Wilson, hands down.

mark
mark

javelin,

He is at the top of the list!

I know you know this but maybe DJ can learn something…here’s is what Wilson said on his deathbed:

“I am a most unhappy man.
I have unwittingly ruined my country.

A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit.
Our system of credit is concentrated.
The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men.

We have come to be one of the worst ruled,
one of the most completely controlled
and dominated governments in the civilized world.

No longer a government by free opinion,
no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority,
but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.”

If you’re not clear on this, President Wilson was talking about the Federal Reserve. He realized that a group of men had tricked him into securing passage of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. He never got over it.

Interestingly enough, the Federal Reserve Act promised that the new central bank was going to “bring monetary stability” to the United States. Nearly 100 years later, look where we are!

Homer
Homer

“bring monetary stability”–It’s funny, it’s the big lies that are most believed!

Ghost

He was a disaster for a country about to become a world power. An academic when a real man would have been better.

Homer
Homer

A close third. I wouldn’t be so forgiving of Wilson. As an academic, I’m sure he wasn’t ignorant of monetary history, central banking, or the effects of fiat currency.

I had read that Wilson’s statement that he ruined the country by signing the Federal Reserve Act was not factual. What ever his motivations were may never be know.

You live in a Universe where everything has consequences. That’s why God gave you a brain to think with. Ignoring History with the palliative, “This time it’s different.” displays man’s hubris, much to his undoing.

mark
mark

Homer,

I have read he was blackmailed because of an affair…don’t have time to find it now (chores) will look for it later.

Ghost

And… His manservant was a close advisor I think. Wife Edith…

Homer
Homer

Blackmailed because of an infidelity, hmmm. The more thing change, the more they seem the same.

piearesquared
piearesquared

Mark, it is not just a rumor that FDR knew that Pearl Harbor was going to be hit. It has been thoroughly researched by numerous reliable people that FDR not only knew it was going to be hit, but deliberately tried to provoke the Japanese to attack. He wanted an excuse to get America into the war. Apparently though he didn’t expect the damage and loss of life to be as great as they were. The reports are that he was surprised by the size of the attack.

mark
mark

piearesquared,

Most of out wars have been FF, and I have no doubt the next one will be as well.

The more truth I learn the more I despise our past’politicans’ and idiots like DJ who feed them more power.

Coalclinker
Coalclinker

Nope, when your Millenial generation who doesn’t know how to do much of anything is facing a situation where the money is worthless, and supplies don’t get shipped in a regular schedule, they won’t be doing much except dying. There are some areas in this country where even more will die, especially at the end of the first month when your diverse city denizens don’t get their EBT cards loaded and there’s not much for them to buy anyhow.

mark
mark

Coalclinker,

When TSHTF there will be more urban, hipster, ganaster wanna be Millenials in the Gloden Horde then other generations because their ‘yout’ will allow them to walk, stagger, crawl further out of their blue hell hole bubbles.

Talk about a rude awakening in fly over land…we will see who goes “Bye, bye”…then.

DJ,
I fear (for you) that you don’t know…what you don’t know.

Lurk here for a while and learn…TBP offers a free education…no crushing debt. Real knowledge, insights, and hard knock experiences…for free. (Warning…there are no safe threads).

Ghost

Only safe havens.

Mike West
Mike West

So,

There are absolutely no whites on welfare, EBT and such?

You’re very very ignorant. Percentages favor your argument, but even so, a huge percentage of whites will suffer the same fate as everyone else. Everybody’s broke.

Perhaps ten percent of the citizens of this country will last a month. Perhaps. I highly doubt it.

That huge sucking sound you here is the white men that betrayed you, while suckering you into believing non whites are to blame.

You don’t want to witness the suffering this country is about to experience. You don’t want to wish it on anyone. Unless you’re a sick f***.

TS

Excellent. You DID make another funny. I thought you only had enough for that comment in Part One. And everyone else thought you didn’t have a wit. They were only half right.

mark
mark

“And everyone else thought you didn’t have a wit. They were only half right.”

Jeeeez….TS (does that stand for Tough Shit or Tired Smartass?)

With TBP friends like you who needs enigma minded enemas?

Just kidding buddy…I occasionally resemble that re-marky.

TS

Thaaaat was for DJ, there, Marky. I haven’t seen you resemble my remark so far.

mark
mark

TS,

I thought were just good naturedly teasing your ole buddy…my bad.

mark
mark

Where the hell are my reading glasses?

Ghost

Headed to the VA down to “the Bluff” today… anything interesting in the area?

You got plenty of these lds beans?

mark
mark

Shoot MG I first bought them in the early 80’s, thought I was going to get laid off and didn’t want my wife and then 4 year old daughter staring at me with empty bellies.

Opened them well after 911 and ate every bean…delicious.

As 2008 was unfolding I had a pallet delivered. Have to eat them by 2033!

Ghost

Good for you. I have several cases I am selling/trading.

A Pallet? I did not know they sold by the pallet!

mark
mark

Oh yea.

Ghost

I used to buy them in bulk, then our group would can them ourselves. It was actually a lot more efficient at the Bishop’s Kitchen… they had a great setup for community outreach.

Groups could order from Utah warehouses and bring a team in to can a truckload.

It was good fellowship.

D J
D J

Look, I’m not going to try to convince you old timers that you’re on the wrong side of history (who would have guessed from the generation that gave us $20 trillion of debt). I just want to point out that if you know your Strauss-Howe you know that the only salvageable future would be shaped by and in the image of the Millenial generation.

Of course, you could hope for the apocalypse instead of you not getting your way as you grow old and die. That would be the Boomer thing to do.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation

Nomads lead the military campaigns. Prophets mentor the Nomads and Heroes; they also perform most of the diplomacy. Heroes are mostly cannon fodder, not that they don’t contribute. Their lessons about building are/were taught to them by the Prophets.

Without the reserve currency, individualism, and self-sustainability, what will you be building? The equivalent of gingerbread houses with FRNs? Just curious. Do you already have the ability to provide for yourself and your family without JIT? Nomads sure as shit won’t be supporting snowflakes. Not sure about Prophets.

Nomads end up the most destitute of the archetypes in the Fourth Turning, but they are also in their peak earning years during it. What have the Millennials saved? I live in one of the most affluent counties in the country and it is almost entirely rural. My neighbors are all Silents and Gen X. Rest assured, snowflakes need to put on their Big Boy pants if they want anything from my small farm.

FYI, I am Gen X.

The U.S. is a Donkey Show
The U.S. is a Donkey Show

Articles,

Fauquier or Loudon County by any chance?

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation

Nope, but suffice it to say that (while attempting *some* semblance of anonymity) I am VERY familiar with both Fauquier and Loudoun. Loudoun is overrun now…horse country is nearly gone.

Mygirl...maybe

Aha, the millenials are immortal, unlike the boomers. Whew, so glad you pointed that out….now, go play with your crayons and coloring books and practice working that can opener…..

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

DJ.
I only wish we gave us 20 trillion in debt. We wouldn’t even need this conversation. In fact, I wish we all could be accused of racking up 200 trillion in debt. And yes I said us. How long have you been out of high school. Not a put down, it means you were here with us running up what is more like 200 quadrillion in debt.
Through no fault of your own, you have been grossly Mal-educated. Having been taught to have answers but not knowing the questions. The entire world is leveraged out as much as 1,000 to one and climbing. The difficulty is identifying debt because everything has been deliberately twisted and complicated so that no one anywhere has enough time to untangle the mess. A year ago I wasted my time here trying to describe derivatives to some under 50 readers. Suffice it to say, that stuff is unwinding right now and when your think of how bad it will be, Multiply it by 100. Listen to what mark is trying to say. Civil unrest is coming that is beyond anything me and him put together have seen first hand.
There is no price discovery anywhere in any category because of the deliberate efforts to make it that way. Price discovery of how bad it will be regarding hunger, violence, disease, atrocities.
Are you ready to be sold into slavery and thrown in a coal mine. If there is anything left to salvage it will be awhile before it happens. We aren’t just broke. Our bodies and souls have been put up for collateral for all this debt.

Grog
Grog

You know DJ, it’s funny when somebody mentions one little word or thought in a conversation and it clicks. It’s like a domino has become unstable and nudges an adjacent domino… and ideas start flowing, you get the idea?

As I was reading you little sperg dribble, I thought of my old truck. It’s an old Jeep, a V-8, manual transmission and looks like the wreck of Hesperus.
It needs to be back on the road. It needs a new battery maybe a good used tire and a little TLC, like a clean windshield. I’ll have to add a new plate with a sticker and get some insurance. I’ll get A LOT of insurance.

Hopefully, one day you’ll see an old Boomer ramming your little pedal/battery/tricycle out of my parking space, and hearing a ton of cursing and a strange word wafting on the breeze… ‘Towanda,,,,’

Think of me.

Jay
Jay

One day out of nowhere and nothing a piece of uncreated slime just appeared and crawled up out some kind of uncreated pond that just happened to be there without anyone to create it either. That piece of uncreated slime then grew legs and started walking without having anything to eat for millions of years because nothing else existed, including minimum wage laws and there was no fire to cook with anyway. Then without ever having a wife to procreate with, that piece of slime just started spontaneously producing other slimy Democrats and they all became monkeys and sprouted wings and that’s where today’s birds come from. Of course some of them remained monkeys and they’re still in the zoo because they weren’t as highly evolved as the republicans who made it to the Senate.

I hope this clears up any questions you may have had left over from modern public education.

Builder
Builder

DJ, Hate to say this, but if the Millennial Generation is going to shape the future and be in the image of that generation, not only is the US “done”, but so is Western Civilization. A generation that can’t change a tire, know how to repair things, know how to cook, know how to grow food, know how to defend itself (and when) will vanish at 2700 fps.

Third worlders? They know how to do all of those things, and better than 90% of American Millennials. As a parent of two of that generation, I’ve gone well out of my way to make sure they can fix stuff, cook, grow and preserve food, shoot, and think critically. A few dozen of their friends have been shown how to fix their cars, their homes and understand an amortization schedule, and why buying a home in this market is utterly insane. Why student loan debt will crush them.

For some, the lessons “took”, and they’re on their way to a decent life. For others, well, let’s just say that nature has a way of taking out the weakest in the herd.

Ghost

Some millennials might do better than the boomers did. Just sayin’

mark
mark

DJ,

You post (as a Millennial) as if you are high on Self-Esteem for the most recent crop of American idiots.

Seems to me millennial perennial adolescence, helped along by parents, media, government, and a sick perverted culture, many millennials seem to believe they’re smarter than they are, and certainly are waiting to involve themselves in social institutions like marriage and parenthood, which would require them to stop being selfish, self-involved jackasses.

Sociologist Jean Twenge writes, “Millennials are uninterested in the society around them, less likely to help the environment, less likely to “say they wanted a job that was helpful to others or was worthwhile to society.”

Even worse politically they tilt LEFT…radical LEFT! Many actually supporting Socialism! (That’s a lot of heads up a lot of asses.)

When Ronald Reagan was governor of California, he confronted a college antiwar protest. As he drove away in his limousine, one of the protesters held up a sign reading, “We are the future.” Reagan promptly grabbed a piece of paper, scribbled something on it, and held it up to the window.

It read: “I’ll sell my bonds.”

Just for the record…I have posted about Boomers and believe about 60% of them are Dr. Spock raised (look him up kid – a frigg’in idiot whose own son committed suicide) spoiled, soft, undisciplined, entitled, Me generation clowns.

NOTE: All of us here on TBP are 40 percenters.

Age appears to be best in four things; old wood best to burn, old wine to drink, old friends to trust, and old authors to read.
Francis Bacon

The secret of genius is to carry the spirit of the child into old age, which means never losing your enthusiasm.
Aldous Huxley

When grace is joined with wrinkles, it is adorable. There is an unspeakable dawn in happy old age. Victor Hugo

D J
D J

I’m Gen X. I just know my Strauss-Howe.

Honestly, reading you guys – you don’t even understand the problems, much less have the solutions.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation

That is an awfully large generalization. I wish I didn’t know or comprehend the problems so that I could plug back into the Matrix.

History is a catalog of solutions and that catalog has been humbly acknowledged by perhaps 1-2% of Americans. Because of that level of hubris, nothing will be solved and people like you will likely starve to death. You cannot possibly fathom how fucked this country is and I have no desire to break it down for plebes any more.

The first step to redemption is to admit that you are also part of the problem. I speak from personal experience because I once came from a position of total anger toward Boomers. All that anger does is consume you and keep you stuck in a mudhole.

D J
D J

Not angry. Mostly here out of boredom.

You guys rooting for a Mad Max style apocalypse because that’s the only way you can actually come out ahead. That should tell you how hopeless your worldview is. The Millenials will prevail – that’s the lesson of Strauss-Howe.

mark
mark

DJ,

I can only speak for myself. If you think I’m ‘rooting’ for a Mad Max apocalypse because I’m prepping for the possibility, and it is discussed on TPB in detail let me just tell you that is not true.

But, I believe we are coming into a time like no other, and at its worse, war and economic collapse (whatever come first) is not just a possibility, I believe it is just around the corner and it scares the hell out of me. I have a wife of 43 years and two generations to protect from the approaching horror, and the demonic sons of bitches and daughters of witches who are bringing it from their ‘long march’.

I miss-spent my miss-spent youth in a war and I never got over it. Now the nightmare slaughter, the bone chilling fear, the day to day misery, the gut wrenching terror, the putrid death, and the gory maiming is coming here – to my home- and my job in my rapidity advancing old age is to protect my wife, daughter, son-in – law (probably your age but has no idea what is coming or is prepared for it) and my precious grandson.

Look, I teased you a bit, but re-read your condescending smart ass attitude, you deserved it.

Hang around a while, get to know the regulars and the lurkers who chime in. I have learned a lot here. Contribute, you sound intelligent…just cocky…sounds just like me back in the day.

Enjoy your current boredom…treasure it…soon just eating 3 squares a day, staying healthy and maybe just staying alive may take up all of your suddenly heart pounding and occasionally desperate free time.

You comment and debate respectfully…so will most. (There is the occasional loon but they get handled…plenty of bouncers been blogging here a long time).

So….what say you buddy? What do think is coming next?

Jay
Jay

There’s nothing like experiencing the horrors and hungers of war to snap those without experience into reality. But then it’s too late.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson

You sure can’t unsee the elephant once you’ve seen him.

Constitutional Cong
Constitutional Cong

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Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson

Definitely saw the elephant.

Ghost

Thousand yard stare.

Ghost

Thanks. You are a safe and sane voice.

The best laid plans of mice and men oft go awry,

But the plans of a man who intends to survive are best laid on the fly.

(In the coming madness, flexibility and options will be limited. Surviving on the “move” is going to be out of most people’s capability.)

Urban centers of any size are now full of hostility.

anon
anon

Interesting thought.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation

That is most assuredly NOT the lesson of either Generations or The Fourth Turning. If there’s any lesson, it’s that humans are fallen and we repeat the same mistakes over and over again.

Millennials will play their part in the collapse of the govt. and in whatever form that takes. I for one am NOT worried about them in ANY capacity. And I am NOT rooting for Mad Max. Anyone who has children and also possesses a soul cannot possibly wish for such a thing. I also do NOT believe that that is where we are headed, provided we remained armed.

That being said, I have seen where this has been going for 11 years now and it is my duty to protect my loved ones. Your hubris, bitterness, and anger, sir, shall be your downfall. One thing you can never, ever do is say you were not warned.

You still have not answered any of my questions. Here are some more. Are you able to provide at least some self-sustenance for your family? Are you a member of a tightly-knit community where neighbor loves neighbor? What is the population density of your locale and how homogeneous is it? Ever served? If no governments with the reserve currency have ever paid off their debts, what makes you think we will — hence, not have (best case) horrific cost-push inflation?

The U.S. is a Donkey Show
The U.S. is a Donkey Show

Mark, Artlicles and DJ,

This is good banter. DJ, up your game by expanding on WHY are believe what you believe.

mark
mark

Donkey…nothing but snowflake blather talking points and snide curled lip service from the haughty, smug DJ.

Come on…FDR, Al Gore, Hillary, Global Warming. DJ just needs a pacificer.

I suspect her or if male DJ is possibly just another de-balled guilt ridden white soy boy.

If DJ has a Boomer parent I have no doubt she/he was raised by Dr. Spock ‘Rules for Future Whiny Spoiled Radicals’ passed on from an asshole grandparent who ruined two generations with Spock’s poisen.

Ghost

DJ brings up interesting points to think about.

Not to defend D J too early but am late to the post to read and comment. I had a nasty stuck to me on an earlier visit and did not enter.

I try to NOT walk into a “worthwhile” conversation with a POS on my shoe.

Ghost

For some that will be true. Others will hide and watch.

mark
mark

Articles of Confederation,

Shoot, I’m still pissed off at 60% of Boomers and I ARE ONE!

I went into detail in a post about the movie Easy Rider (that I despise) forget the thread.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation

I’m not anymore. No point. Anger and hatred are all-consuming emotions that paralyze the individual. Do I agree with most of their past decisions? Nope. But it’s not going to change the “here and now”.

This country was doomed the minute it spit on Christ and turned to atheism.

mark
mark

I agree brother!

Kicked Him out of our schools. 1962

Made the murder of His Creation legal. 1973

Spit in His eye and made same sex marriage legal. 2015

Strike, one, two, three.

The Church should have organized marches on the Supreme Court at the start, too worried about their tax deduction.

I don’t know who was worse FDR or Johnson, with the Johnson Amendment and the Not So ‘Great Society’.

The ‘Church’ blew it:

“Section 501(c)(3) of our nation’s tax code gives tax-exempt status to a church as long as it “does not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing for statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office.”

President Johnson proposed the amendment to the tax code that has greatly restricted the free speech of pastors and churches on July 2, 1954. 100 Cong. Rec. 9604 (daily ed. July 2, 1954). The words “in opposition to” were added in 1986. Ass’n of the Bar of the City of N.Y. v. Comm’r, 858 F.2d 876,879 (2d Cir. 1988). It was in this year that then-Senator Johnson was up for re-election to the Senate. Unfortunately, it is not clear why Congress enacted it, as “there was little debate over the amendment or how it would influence churches.”

Sen. Johnson’s motivations, however, are much clearer. Around the time this amendment was introduced, Sen. Johnson had faced some political difficulties from certain organizations in his home state. “Senator Lyndon B. Johnson of Texas forced the amendment out of his anger that [two local] Texas non-profit groups had supported his primary opponent.” Gary Cass, Gag Order, 58 (2005) (citing Bruce R. Hopkins, The Law of Tax-Exempt Organizations, 327 (6th ed. 1992)).

There you have it. “The IRS rule that strips tax exemption from churches engaged in electioneering was born of Lyndon Johnson’s Texas politics, not the U.S. Constitution . . . .” Larry Witham, Texas politics blamed for ’54 IRS rule LBJ wanted to keep Senate seat, WASH. TIMES, Aug. 27, 1998 (discussing a study done by James Davidson, a Purdue University sociologist). More specifically, “‘[t]he ban on church electioneering has nothing to do with the First Amendment or Jeffersonian principles of separation of church and state . . . .’ ‘It was prompted by Johnson’s desire to challenge McCarthyism, protect the liberal wing of the Democratic Party in Texas, and win re-election.’”

Jay
Jay

Mark, I know you mean well about Churches and 501 (c) (3) status, but Churches are tax exempt and don’t have to file one way or the other. Pastors should be careful what they say and make sure it’s the truth, but 501c3 is what is referred to as a parachurch organization. In other words, they are religious in nature but they are selling things and money is coming in that would otherwise be taxable similar to a for profit corporation. If your Church is trying to bring in large sums of money and it’s used for purposes other than distribution of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, then it’s in business and the IRS wants money like any other corporation. When the preacher owns a 10million dollar jet and a mansion on the Rivieras it’s kinda hard to say that he hasn’t made a business out of the Church.

mark
mark

Jay, (just saw this)

Here is what I meant about and how I see the Johnson Amendment.

Section 501(c)(3) of our nation’s tax code gives tax-exempt status to a church as long as it “does not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing for statements), any ‘POLITICAL’ campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office.”

The above is what shuts up POLITICAL SPEECH from many Pastors…and to be honest they seem to be mostly white. I have seen it. I have heard them use it as an excuse to not preach against the government or for certain causes.

https://aclj.org/free-speech/how-the-johnson-amendment-threatens-churches-freedoms

When I said the Church blew it I meant where was the mass ‘NO!’ to our religious freedom in 62 & 63 being taken away??? Where was the ‘NO!’ to baby murder in 73…yea there was some outrage but we should have descended on DC in mass and not stopped descending until both decisions shoved down our throats by the SC were reversed by elected Congressmen & women. We had the power then in numbers.

Now, I was 12 in 62 and didn’t become a Christian until 93 so my hands were bloody for a long time…but they are clean now.

Here is what we need again:

“Jesus said that we must “render to God the things that are God’s and render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s.” In America, Caesar is “we the people.” America’s government is not in D.C. or in state capitols; it is in our homes and our churches. We are the government. We cannot obey Jesus by staying uninvolved. We must enter the fight for liberty and truth or our freedom to speak and worship as we see fit may soon be lost forever.

Like John Muhlenberg in 1776, I believe ‘There is a time to preach and a time to pray. But there is also a time to fight, and that time has now come!’ God give us patriot preachers to lead the way.”

http://reclaimamericaforchrist.org/2010/12/20/the-black-robed-regiment-preachers-who-fought/

mark
mark

Come on DJ….thats a BS 100,000 foot cop out and you know it.

D J
D J

You guys aren’t rooting for the urban cataclysm?

mark
mark

Who are these GUYS? Lots of different people here DJ.

Do you mean when the Everything Bubble bursts and the ATM/EBT sudden stop kicks off riots that will make the riots of the 60’s look like a high school fist fight?

Or do you mean the Georgia Guidestones telegraphed thining of the useless eater herd?

I have loved ones living in bright blue bubbles I hope and pray can get to my place in time…we have talked about it. I don’t root for the possible starvation and violent death of people I love. Or anyone else for that matter.

Have midmeeting points planned, paper maps – walkie talkies in the cars, and I keep 150 gallons of stored gas rotated on my farm to go meet/get them…if I can and have to.

I’m praying (literally) for a slow motion slide not a abrupt event…then they have a chance to get here and we can stand together.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation

mark,

One thing I have been meaning to ask folks here on TBP, just to get them to perform a thought experiment. I wonder if most folks know where the term “suburb” derives, and from what point in history? His comment about “urban cataclysm” made me chuckle when I was reminded of exactly what occurred during the collapse of the Roman denarius.

mark
mark

Articles,

Where is our Latin expert when we need him?

Origin and usage:
The word suburb comes from the Latin word ‘suburbium’ meaning ‘outlying part of a city’. The Latin prefix ‘sub-‘ means ‘below’ and the root ‘urbs’ means ‘city’. In English, the word suburb first appeared sometime in the early 14th century, when it was used to refer to the village or area outside of a larger town or city.

How do you say SHITHOLES in Latin?

Yea, many think it was Vandals/Goths etc. the Banksters strike again!

mark
mark

Articles,

This is a good read, I know you will enjoy it if you haven’t already read it.

INFLATION AND THE FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE

https://mises.org/library/inflation-and-fall-roman-empire

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation

Wow, I hadn’t read that in years. That is an OLD lecture that if memory serves me, I must have read 10 years ago when I was consuming everything I could about economics and history…not long after TARP passed.

mark
mark

I thought you would be familar with it….

Here is one of my favoriate paragraphs….L and all The PM stackers will like it:

“Now one interesting thing with all this inflation should be a great comfort to us: historians of prices in the Roman Empire have come to the conclusion that despite all of this inflation — or perhaps we should say, because of all of this inflation — the price of gold, in terms of its purchasing power, remained stable from the first through the fourth century.

In other words, gold remained, in terms of its purchasing power, a stable value whereas all this other coinage just became increasingly worthless.”

D J
D J

I bet you were 100% convinced hyperinflation was coming after TARP passed

mark
mark

Actually I was convinced what was started in 71 by the Globalists (Nixon was a CFR puppet) was just being accelerated, and I took a long position in PMs…one of the best (of many) moves I ever made.

Mary Christine

Yeah, I wish I had bought some when Gold was $200 and silver was…what, a couple bucks? Oh, well, 20/20, right?

mark
mark

Mary,

I did a partner post with Maggie on cashing in a 401k in 1999 and going long on PMs. The only mistake I made was not taking more profit…will never not take reasonable profit again. Just have to put it into other hard assets.

I restarted cost averaging buying after they drove both back down after the 2011 high, from the end of 2013 t0 mid-2017.

Recently received an inheirtence and went back in with a chunk of it, the rest going into the house.

Hope to leave much of it as a legacy to the two generations after me.

Anonymous
Anonymous

No. Just 100% convinced of two things. One, we have two distinct systems of justice. And two, Americans can’t take pain if it means real gain. It would have been painful for the banking and therefore medical scams to collapse. But not as painful as when it happens again.

AoC

mark
mark

There isn’t pain coming…there is long term devastation moving in and taking over.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation

Fuck no. You do realize that if Mad Max happened (it won’t), no one’s hands would be clean, right? I sure as shit wouldn’t want people who couldn’t see the forest from the trees in my neck of the woods or anywhere near my children. It’d be a veritable shit show.

Not that it matters. Look at Detroit, Baltimore and Chicago. Urban cataclysm is already here but the financial system is still intact and holding it together. You’re falling into the same trap of most humans — what currently exists will always exist, ergo I will be fine. If one can acknowledge that all things come to an end due to entropy, then it should be easy to envision the end of the current state of anything.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

DJ.
Nope.

splurge
splurge

No,rooting for the opportunity to die in my sleep deep into old age, I’m easing on 68 now.

Mygirl...maybe

So, DJ, you understand the problems and can give us the solutions? Well, shit son, what’s holding you back? Enlighten us, please. Don’t be shy, you have all the answers that the world desperately needs to make itself a better place and us elders will wait with bated breath and impatience for your enlightenment……

D J
D J

Simply put, you guys are the problem. You and the Constitutional flaws that empower your minority.

Remember Al Gore and his lockbox? The American people chose him but the constitution said otherwise and debt followed. Remember Hillary Clinton and her higher taxes on the wealthy? The American people chose her but the constitution said otherwise and debt followed.

So, fortunately our problems are small on a historical scale. The typical stuff. An oligarchy that foments fear of the other and fear of change to get support from the likes of you. They get in power and do two things; 1) spread more fear and 2) enrich themselves.

So the American people need a supermajority to defeat you. It is building. In the meantime you all hope for an urban cataclysm so your dying words to your kids in your rural shelter can be, “I told you so”. It’s the only way you can win. Not likely. I spent a weekend in Chicago this summer. It was lovely.

We need to raise taxes on the wealthy and give everyone health care and make education cheaper and better. Your brown great-grandchildren will be just fine.

D J
D J

Now, the rest of the world has big problems because of global warming and many millions will die – mostly non-Americans as we’ll have the resources to adapt better.

Once the Millenials have their supermajority in place they’ll tackle this job creating thousands of jobs and ending our economic malaise.

mark
mark

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Gosh, my sides hurt….thanks man laughter is the best medicine…

mark
mark

DJ,

Ok, now that I stopped laughing check this link out.

The one stock I’m buying is in a company that makes Fur Lined Jock Straps…my ‘Boomer boys’ need to stay warm in the coming Grand Solar Minimum.

You have everything wrong and upside down, including the climate that yes…is changing once again.

Your gonna freeze your boys off in ‘lovely’ Chicago…

WHAT IS A GRAND SOLAR MINIMUM?

Mygirl...maybe

Oh, jeez and here I thought you had been serious. Tsk, this isn’t even bad satire.

splurge
splurge

Broadly and generally Governments do only three things well, to wit, kill people, steal their stuff, and break what they can’t steal. Your complaint about the constitution is designed specifically for that purpose, to protect a minority from being run over by an aggressive majority. The reason for this is simply that they did not intend to leave us a democratic system of government. They intended to leave us as a free people, not subject to the madness of fashion and whim, as democracy tends toward and which you have clearly fallen prey to. The constitution has been much corrupted over the years both by politicians and the judiciary giving the government far more power than intended or good for a free citizenry. Big money has completely corrupted the executive branch while congress puts on its sock-puppet children’s theater for the (fake) news consumer.

D J
D J

Sorry folks. You all are way too loony for me. Be safe.

Look out for the drones. They’re up there. They’re coming. Look out for them. As soon as you look away they’ll be there. Stay vigilant. Good luck.

Constitutional Cong
Constitutional Cong

Comrade DJ,

USEFUL IDIOT

If you have never heard the term “useful idiot” it was the attitude held by Vladimir Lenin towards communist sympathizers in the West (America).

While Lenin and the Soviets held them in utter contempt they also viewed them as tools for dispensing communist propaganda to other countries, thus infecting foreign cultures with their TOTALITARIAN TRIPE. After their mission is complete, they will no longer “useful” and will be fed into the gulags they help create.

It’s a term that refers to brainwashed American Marxists (or just cocky, condesending Snowflakes) who blindly support any ideology that gets themselves out of real work and causes others to pay their way.

An American who espouses Marxist ideals is a useful idiot…they have been known to gather cult-like in large herds in ‘LOVELY’ Chicago.

They perfer grape kool-aid…they progressively gulp it down…but will guzzle any flavor just as long as its free and makes them ‘feel’ warm and fuzzy.

Come back and play…when you actually have something to actually say!

mark

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson

Idiot thinks North Avenue is same as the south side. LMAO!

Constitutional Cong
Constitutional Cong

Hey DJ,

Before you retreat back into your safe space…watch this…only 11 minutes.

The people putting this on love people like you…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=114&v=DmXq2a92AfA

mark

Ghost

can you send a link

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson

You better watch out for the drones sonny. Old fuqueres like us who actually know how to build and program stuff invented it all in the first place. We would be the ones running them in flyover country with weapons on board if it all goes pfffft. I will venture you have no idea that the first use of PC’s was on farms and that the only perfected driverless tech is used every day on farms.

Ghost

Shhhhhh. They have no idea.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Not very nice. Just do me a favor. Please, oh PLEASE, Brer Millennial, please don’t throw me in that there briar patch (flyover country)!

AoC

Ghost
Anonymous
Anonymous

Do you believe that unicorns shit skittles.

Anonymous
Anonymous

You are going to starve when food commodities go through the roof due to the turndown in weather by 2024. But you’d actually have to work on a farm to understand how wrong you are. Very sad.

AoC

mark
mark

Yea man, that pesky Constitution and us radical non conformists who believe in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are the problem.

DJ – simply put you are a stupid Libtard

Are you serious? Al (Chicken Little) Gore or Georgie W (who gives breath mints to Big Mike) was only a choice in between: TWO CRIME FAMILIES! Please pull your head out of your ass before you suffocate.

Hillary (liar, liar, liar, pants suit of fire) Clinton is an evil, probably demonic possessed murderess…and you scorn the Electoral College that has saved has from the tyranny of the bright blue bubbles…good gosh man you are a true fool.

DJ – simply put you are a lost Progressive.

OK, here is some common ground the oligarchy! It started in 1913 and is called the FED, because they went around the Constitution and We the People didn’t tar and feather them immediately. Do you understand who the FED really are? Do you have a clue?

A supermajority huh…now where is that coming from…oh yea…the 3rd world! Then we will all be equal…equally serfs and slaves and those of U.S. who survive will be herded into crowded ‘lovely’ Chicago type putrid cities to equally dodge bullets with the rest of the serfs and slaves. Agenda 21 & 30 the UN’s plan to “Make America Slaves again’.

DJ – simply put you are a blathering Socialist.

So we need the corrupt, wasteful, bribed, owned, greedy, evil Government to GIVE U.S. health care (with our own money because you could tax every wealthy person 100% and it would not be anyt where near enough). Education cheaper….and brown great grandchildren…hahahahahahahahahahahah …

COMRADE DJ….Workers of the world unite!

DJ – simply put you are a brainwashed Communist with nothing but Marxist BS talking points you have swallowed hook, line and sinker!

Hunker down DJ. The Disunited States of America is about to tear itself apart and if you are having a ‘lovely’ time in Chicago when it happens watch out for the zombies…naïve fools who embrace their own doom will be at the top of the menu…because you are at the bottom of the Globalist food chain…and don’t even know it.

Ahhhh a Utopia Nanny State believer…I needed a good laugh this morning…thanks DJ.

D J
D J

“A demonic possessed murderess”

Yes, you are all grounded in reality here. You’ve got it all figured out. Carry on.

mark
mark

Thats it? That’s all you got?

What are you too busy collecting plastic straws while saving the planet to write a real response?

Trust me buddy…the Clinton body count is massive.

Hillary: Demonic Possession or Natural Depravity?

Hillary: Demonic Possession or Natural Depravity?

TS

Mark – I told you guys he was funny. Did I call that one, or what?

mark
mark

You hit the center of the foolseye TS…all black.

~L
~L

Holy smokes, my Acid Connecticut hoarding bud!
You just shredded a newbie yapper mutt who wandered into the junkyard, where big dogs pounce.
Well played, Sir. Sick ‘im.
Let the DJ go spin his tunes in places where delusion runs rampant.
Round here, we can eat alphabet soup and then shit out a better argument than DJ put forth.
A new BDR has emerged.
Slide over you others.
Mark has earned a spot among ye.
~ Cheers.

mark
mark

L,

Poor DJ actually believes the party lines…last night I was hoping to debate him this morning, but he throws nothing but puffed up snowflakey PC BS…anyone could swing and make contact with the softballs he lobs over the radical left side of the plate.

~L
~L

Good analogy, brudder.
Sometimes, a good hitter with a piece of hickory branded with H&R Louisville Slugger
(old school, well, because Old’s Cool)
…is all a feller in the big leagues needs, to go up against a young whippersnapper taking the mound, who thinks he has a smoking fastball, a deceptive slider, and a mean arc breaking ball in his repertoire of pitches.

He got his ass rocked, when you stepped up to the plate.

Mary Christine

Well, Mark, you tried being nice. Then you tried ridicule. Forget DJ. He does not have an open mind. If he did, he would do his own research instead of swallowing the left/right paradigm .

When I was really young, I fell for the Democrat socialist crap. As I got older I switched parties and fell for the Republican crap. Now I know it’s all crap.

mark
mark

Mary,

I always start out nice…then adjust as needed.

I can take it and I can dish it out.

The ball is in DJ’s court…if he wants to debate I will…if he wants to vomit Snowflake or Antifa talking points I will expose them with sharp words.

That will be nothing compared to the Civil War that is coming that people like him (who actually are dupes of the Globalists) will force on U.S. and what the response will be.

We have talked about it before…a river of blood is coming and people like DJ will soon drown in it in ‘lovely’ Chicago.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson

He didn’t say he lives there, just visited. I am sure he didn’t venture beyond what is on the guided tour.

Constitutional Cong
Constitutional Cong

He could have been a woman…how many guys say ‘lovely’?

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson

Those commie bitches usually have less restraint and he didn’t have a shit hemorrhage about his pronouns. Doesn’t mean he isn’t a pajama boy.

Ghost

Am wanting to thank you for sharing your thoughts and knowledge.

Anonymous
Anonymous

You are so full of avarice and hatred, son. You can’t even fathom the medical problems my family has had and how Obamacare nearly sank us.

You are not Gen X and you can’t even be honest about that. Your missives cry “save me, Uncle Sugar!” Not realizing that your prayers to him are in actuality the prayers of middle class destruction.

Want to know why I am leaving IT to farm? To starve you all of my hard-earned capital. Peacefully.

I will pray for you, seriously.

AoC

Ghost

Some do.

TS

Mark –
Nicely done.

mark
mark

Thanks TS…I finally found my reading glasses.

Ghost

Ever read Huxley’s book “Jacob’s Hands?” It is an odd story to follow Brave New World.

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22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor
22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor

I forgot about that thoroughly awesome analysis.

All the negs are from Strauss and Howe fluff readers.

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In 1913 a candy bar was $0.01 cents.
In 2013 a candy bar was $1.00.
The federal Reserve System was a designed 100 year currency. It was meant to devalue 1 cent every year for 100 years.
We are now and have been a free floating currency with no basis.

Commodities are in turmoil.
Using the candy bar again we are seeing peanut butter cup packages with 3 contained for $1.75.

America has rolled over bankruptcies twice before. Here comes another.

You can read the reprinting of the history of banking and currency of the United States to get a full understanding.

Well worth it. Understanding what is happening allows you to participate in “routing out” vipers from participating in freedom destroying implementation of the new coming revaluation of everything and new currency.

FREE
https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-9Af4xDvXru3aLFda/The%20Coming-battle-m.w.Walbert-1899_djvu.txt

PAID
http://www.newswithviewsstore.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=NWVS&Product_Code=B1

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This home is now $100.00 x the original value in most metropolitan areas.
Understand that the revaluation could be good if the middle class stays together as a political entity. Don’t allow divide and conquer

We now stand in a time whereby the new basis for currency may be “digital information”

We can NEVER allow the CURRENCY to be digital lest you be owned by men with names like Bezos

You and your family should practice cash transactions once again.

Llpoh
Llpoh

Average wage in 1900 was about $450, and in 2013 it was over $50k. Candy bars are 100 times more, but so are wages.

The issue today is that costs are rising, but wages not. That is due to the external world pressure and the tax take to support free stuff. Combine that with the expectations that US citizens have of a “ middle class” income, ever increasing welfare state, ever increasing debt burden, et all, per Admin’s analysis, and what we will get is a bucket of shit instead of a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

me
me

“That is due to the external world pressure and the tax take to support free stuff.”

Bravo! that is THE wildcard that is destroying purchasing power and sending original standards backwards.

Mygirl...maybe

Rainbow? Not too optimistic about any rainbows, much less buckets of shit. At least shit can be used as fertilizer.

Homer
Homer

Life liberty pursuit of happiness says, “Average wage in 1900 was about $450, and in 2013 it was over $50k. Candy bars are 100 times more, but so are wages. ” Homer says, “It’s not a valid comparison. It deserves more reflection.”

I posit that in 1900 $450 was much better than $50K in 2013. What is important, I think, is the discretionary income after the necessities of life are secured. The average wage (arithmetic mean) in 2013 of $50k is skewed by top wage earners. 1+2+5+8=arithmetic mean of 4. 1+2+5+20=arithmetic mean of 7. 1-2-5-are the constant in both equations, the 20 (top wage earners) skewed the arithmetic mean upward. I have read that for the majority of American households that the household income is less than $50k.

In 1900 there wasn’t a Federal Reserve system or income tax or the advent of institutionalized inflation. What you exchanged for your labor was yours to keep, unencumbered. I remind you that a single income could support a non working wife and six kids.

Circa 2013, it take a husband and wife working to achieve the same level of living as a husband achieved in 1900.

The nominal difference between $450 and $50k can be laid at the feet of the advent of institutionalized inflation. I don’t like the term inflation as it has been corrupted by conflating it with a rise in prices. I prefer Monetary Expansion for inflation which was its original meaning and inflation for Price Inflation its corrupted meaning. This eliminates confusion between cause and effect.

If you needed 1 Qt of milk a day to sustain yourself, 2 Qts of milk would be better, don’t you think? So you add 1 Qt of water to your 1 Qt of milk and now you have 2 Qts of milk. Now your much better off. Why not add another Qt of water or even more Qts of milk. To your 450 Qts of milk you add 49, 550 Qts of water. Now you have 50k of milk. It can’t get any better. The only problem is that it isn’t milk that sustains you, it’s the nutritional value in milk that makes you healthy. By adding 1 Qt of water to 1 Qt of milk you reduce the nutritional value of the milk by 5o% and every Qt of water added dilutes the nutritional value further. It’s the same with money only the nutritional value of money is its purchasing value. What you can exchange your money for in terms of goods.

Charts have shown the diminishing purchasing value (nutritional value) of the dollar since 1913 to 2013. It’s not a pretty picture. Just as reducing the nutritional value of milk will eventually deplete your body’s nutritional stores which can take a long while, sooner or later you’re going to die. It the same with money. Reducing the purchasing value of money, sooner or later, the economic body will die. The economic body is on life support and becoming more emaciated by the day. Von Mises was right.

Llpoh, the reason that you don’t see the price inflation one would expect is because it is hidden from you. Much of it has already happened, just look at the chart of the dollar. Everyone is now waiting for the blow off phase. The “Crackup Boom.” How you were Conned and how the Con worked is for another post as this one is much too long and I have already edited half of what I wanted to say, out.

Don’t get stuck on the nominal dollar, get stuck on the purchasing value of the dollar to estimate how much better off you are. It’s the diminishing purchasing value that has pushed annual incomes to $50k. But you’re forgetting the Vig.

The U.S. is a Donkey Show
The U.S. is a Donkey Show

“I remind you that a single income could support a non working wife and six kids.”

This is all that needs saying imo.

splurge
splurge

That single income typically came from a small farm which fed you and yours in kind, rather than from direct income.

Homer
Homer

Yes, America was, mainly, rural agricultural in 1900. But after the Civil War manufacturing was increasingly gaining in providing a livelihood for the American people. Cities in America grew faster as the population moved from the farms to the cities. Manufacturing with its ‘direct income’ made this possible.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson

$450 was about 22 ounces of Gold. Today 22 ounces of Gold is $34,000. $450 if placed in a jar and buried, then dug up today is still $450. Loss of buying power is nothing less than staggering.

Llpoh
Llpoh

So, an average wage today, discounting tax, will buy more ounces than in 1900. After tax, probably about the same.

Homer
Homer

Llpoh, You are not taking into account the suppression of Gold by the government and banking system. Freely, left to its own it would be much higher. You will see the unfettered price many, many. times higher. I predict you will be shocked.

I said earlier that price inflation because of Monetary Expansiion was hidden from you. It’s like a guy falling off a ten story building. At the third floor everything seem relatively fine, but the damage is already done in the fall. It is the effect of the fall that hasn’t been fully realized. It is the same with Monetary Expansion. Yes, we have price inflation but it is gradual and mitigated by wage increases, not hidden, but out of sight. But, the damage is already done and the effect of that policy haven’t been fully realized. It will be. Hitting hard concrete isn’t any fun

UP YOUR BUTTS
UP YOUR BUTTS

You ought to know. When you hit hard concrete you hit a HOMER

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nkit
nkit

I’m hoping and praying that #4 is the end result…regardless, it’s not the same as the America I grew up in..Two really great articles back to back, Jim, articles that define TBP..Kudos…

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Left my two cents worth over on aftermath to try and catch some guys skipping class over here.
I’ll just repeat the possibility of a stealth devaluation and reset to gold or SDR’s. TPTB may just step out of the way and allow gold to find it’s real price and allow the dollar to also find it’s real price(LOL). Markets over reacting and panic could easily bring the buck down to a penny.
Since I wouldn’t dare insult God by trying to trick him into sending his giant hoover vacuum hose down and sucking me out early while you heathens suffer. I’m going to work on trying to get him to cut me some slack in the next life.

22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor
22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor

Hey Flea, the source I was referencing for the VC terror campaign was John Ripley.

He testified that VC, who the lefty loonies were apologizing for, were slicing up village elder’s families, children first, when American troops pulled back from village defense, especially later in the war.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

22..
The village elders on occasion it was a tradition in that region going way back to hang them by the thumbs and disembowl them but not children. Remove their children and they would have nothing left to lose. Their retirement, their culture and their entire
DNA were tied up in their children. DNA or geneology was huge for them. Both sides might wipe out an entire villiage if they refused to cooperate but to make the slicing up of kids a peculiarity of the VC is pure American propaganda. The mis informed tell the uninformed who become the illinformed until it finally becomes fact. Late in the war they would have no reason to do that and if they did it in 68 I would have known about it. They did all kinds of sneaky stuff to us. More often than not it was our paid CIA henchmen doing it. Followed up by a Huey full of reporters and cameras. What we paid ISIS to do is not new.

ozum
ozum

Interesting side note; the original formulation for an 80 year cycle in civilizations, 4 generations, was articulated in 1300AD by a Turk named Ibn Khaldun. Maybe that’s where S&H got the idea, then updated to present social configuration. Interesting, for me at least.

TS

I’m thinking #2, which will lead to the one who promises he can make it all better. And he will actually deliver on it!A few short years later, #1.
I mentioned a few times 15 – 20 years ago to a few friends aznd family, that I figured we had roughly 15 years left before total collapse, even though I had no clue how it would actually roll out. I agree, at this point, we might have 5 yrs or so. I personally think we only have a couple. I agree with ” We are fifteen months from an election which will likely ignite civil chaos in this country of confrontation. It doesn’t matter who wins, the losers will not accept the result.” True, that.
I don’t see how anyone can possibly be prepared for what I see coming. The best way to be prepared – world-wise – is to be flexible, contemplative, cautious and alert, and play the ‘what if’ game at random moments. For me, the trump card (no reference intended) is my belief in how it all ends, with a truly biblical ending.

Admin: As this tapestry you have so deftly woven shows, no thread stands alone, no effect is without a cause.

So I offer this:

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHYIGy1dyd8&w=640&h=480%5D

22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor
22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor
RS
RS
Bilco

In a world of illusions…Things just sometimes need to be laid out,no matter how hard they sound. This article did just that.Like so many other great writes from the TBP. I once had pity on those that just could not see,but now I can give a flying you know what. That includes many family members who have snickered behind my back for years. I am ready for what is coming(well at least I think so) Probably not,but I have to remain positive that I can come out the other end of it. I have always thought like I do,but three entities made me stronger. My depression era grandparents, Glenn Beck in his early years, and my other family at the TBP. My first and last stop everyday.

Horseless Headsman
Horseless Headsman

Yeah, I’ve got relatives in CA, IL, and NM. I suppose they deserve what’s coming to them, some more than others.

mark
mark

Horseless Headsman

I have some in Sleepy Hollow NY…really, not joking. Have none in Hollow Sleepy.

John Galt
John Galt

Is no one really remembering the globalists plans called 2020 which after Trump got elected they are now saying its name is the 2030 plan. They thought that cunt bitch Hillary was gonna win and it would allow then to globalize the usa by 2020. So they felt Trump may win again and then the next democrat in 20204 would allow tshtf and by 2030 they win. They have always projected and told us what they intend. Like some sick twisted psychos telling their victims in near detail what they are about to do to them. Read more about agenda 21 I believe it was called and now goes by a new name. It was a democrat/hildabeast themed agenda by the masters of globalism. Trump wrecked their timeline. I do feel if Trump is not re elected and one of these chumps on the dem side wins none are capable and i will blame msm and masters of the universe tech companies. The idea these dem candidates are actually campaigning on open borders and using my tax dollars to give services and free shit to illegals breaking the law makes me want to john galt the tax system. They can get 100% of nothing when i quit working, earning and paying taxes. No incentive means no taxes. Would love to prep more for another four year term because surely this wont end well. We are too far deep into this last turning.

Horseless Headsman
Horseless Headsman

Good Article! Nothing really new for most of us, but it helps us to stay focused to read such cogent summations of our current predicament. Thanks.
PS- I’m as prepped as I can figure out how to be. Possibly enough, maybe not.

Saami Jim
Saami Jim

Am I prepared?
I can only try to prepare in the time I have, with the funds I have, and the knowledge or foresight I currently have.
For 9 years I have been preparing:
Financially.
Physically.
Geographically.
Emotionally.
Spiritually.
Country Skills.
Food Storage.
Through it all, I can only say I likely will have a much more difficult time of it than I can imagine.

Thanks, admin, for another great series.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer

The odds are long, we are tired and the situation seems hopeless. While we yet breathe there is hope, take heart, and decide that you will live the next few years well.

Viking Prayer:
Lo, There do I see my Father
Lo, There do I see my Mother and
My Brothers and my Sisters
Lo, There do I see the line of my people back to the beginning
Lo, They do call to me
They bid me take my place among them in the halls of Valhalla
Where thine enemies have been vanquished
Where the brave shall live Forever
Nor shall we mourn but rejoice for those that have died the glorious death.

RS
RS

“The $200 trillion of unfunded Federal liabilities can never be paid.”
———
So why did you rant about it in Part One? What difference does it make that the budget keeps bloating when we all know it CANNOT and therefore WILL NOT ever be paid?

One of the reasons the military intelligence sought Trump for the presidency was due to his experience in BANKRUPTCY.

Get it now?

22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor
22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor

Reposting the link B P E posted.

http://mileswmathis.com/black.pdf

It sort of jumps the 4th Turning economic shark.

Tony
Tony

Great piece of writing as always. How great is it that I’m 30 working days from calling it and going out to the retirement pasture. Can’t say it hasn’t been fun, but it doesn’t look like it will be the life of Riley knowing where we are headed.

Still, how much can we really be prepared. For #1? Nope… #2?, not likely for long. #4? with the present hate and divide I don’t see this as likely; not that it wouldn’t be my first choice though. So, I’m pulling for #3. At least there will be a fighting chance to see what next but it won’t be a picnic.

Great work Admin, best writing on the net, and a lot of great comments too!

Arthur W. Simpson
Arthur W. Simpson

Habakkuk 3:13 describes Jesus killing the seed of Satan, angel Apollyon, (with a sword, Ge 3:15; Re 13:14), the beast of the sea in/of the bottomless pit whilst on his romp through hell (Mt 12:40) threshing the heathen (HAB 3:12). Hab 3 verses 15 and 16 describe antichrist rising (Re 17:8) which makes Habakkuk want to be dead when it happens. Verse 17 describes the denuded earth. MAKING SENSE OF REVELATION, A VERSE BY VERSE LITHOPHANE. By A.W. Simpson

Jay
Jay

You can’t murder 60 million babies in the womb and have homosexuals marching through your streets saying “gay and proud, say it loud,” and expect the nation to survive it. God sees to it. It’s too late for the nation to repent and ask God for forgiveness.

wishes
wishes

It’s too late for the nation to repent and ask God for forgiveness.

I don’t believe that

Jay
Jay

You will see it with your own eyes if you live long enough.

Blather
Blather

They don’t mine (gold, silver, etc) for money anymore. They just print it out of wood pulp. No wonder the ten toes kingdom will be made of mud and iron, unlike the kingdoms that preceded it.

PooPooBongo
PooPooBongo

You forgot sharp shovels and many bags of lime

Curtis Miller
Curtis Miller

I’m expecting a blending between 3 & 4, so call it 3.5.

Yes, the USA will cease to be a global hegemon. Thank God! We will instead have another civil war type scenario, losing over half of total population, but ultimately little military capability. But afterwards it will be used only for actual national defense.

The blue urban centers will be cordoned off, and starved out. Military will take out critical infrastructure, water, sewer, food & fuel supplies. Cannibalism will be the final stage. There’s your population decimation! Attempted escapees will be shot on sight, but there might be an underground railroad of sorts. Not too many Antifa types are outside blue areas for obvious reasons. They ARE infiltrated by MI already, but not each mini cell.

You might call it a national bankruptcy, but there’ll be a Debt Jubilee, public and private, which re-racks the game, with a gold-based system of commercial values and blockchain flexibilities replacing the central banking monstrosity.

Self-sufficiency will ease the way thru the long period of regurgitation, but you must be willing and able to actually defend what you have and earn.

When War Disappears

The world is coming so close to a point of crisis, that the so called thinkers of the world simply avoid talking about the coming suicide.

This has been the habit of all good people of the world, not to do anything, while the criminal politicians, and the evil continue to do all their crimes.

This habit has to be broken at least this once.

Politics corrupted science because its own interest was only war.

Nuclear weapons mean we have decided for death, we have decided to destroy this planet and ourselves.

Albert Einstein died feeling utterly guilty because he had helped to create atomic bombs, and surrendered those bombs to President Roosevelt of America.

Once those bombs were in the hands of the politicians, Albert Einstein went on writing letters saying, “These should not be used, they should be reserved as a last resort.”

But nobody bothered about those letters, who cares?

And the atomic bombs were used on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Within seconds hundreds of thousands of people simply vaporized.

It was a shock to Albert Einstein because it was his letter that triggered the whole process, he was responsible, and was unable to forgive himself.

Now, Roosevelt was no longer the president, the president was Truman, and you cannot find a more untrue man, but names are strange, just the opposite.

When Truman was asked the next morning, “Could you sleep? because Hiroshima and Nagasaki have been burning. One hundred thousand people in Nagasaki, one hundred and twenty thousand people in Hiroshima have died. Could you sleep? because it was your decision to drop the bomb.”

He said, “I slept the best I have ever slept, because so many worries had been there, but in my dropping that bomb, all the worries finished.I slept beautifully.”

Can you say this man has any awareness of what he is saying, what he is doing?

The man who dropped the atom bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the pilot, was asked the next day, “What is your reaction?”

He said, “What reaction? I simply followed the orders. I had nothing to do with it. I was ordered to drop the bombs, I dropped the bombs. That’s my profession, I am paid for it.”

When nuclear explosions start happening, if you are lucky enough to survive these catastrophic explosions without been instantly vaporized.

Will you and your loved ones be able to survive the global nuclear winter, the radiation sickness that will follow?

How do you think this is going to affect you, it is unimaginable?

And it will not affect only you, it will affect all the generations that follow you.

It will affect the whole future of humanity.

Maybe only the unlucky ones, are the ones who will survive.

Seeing the crisis that is coming every moment closer.

People like you, are even avoiding talking about it, afraid because they don’t have any answer, or forgetting all about it, believing that some miracle will happen.

No miracle ever happens unless you make it happen.

Once we make the whole of humanity aware of the dangers of our past ways of life, and where the whole past is leading us, to a global suicide.

It will not be difficult to convince the intelligent, and the young, to drop the past and to welcome the future.

But first, we need the people to wake up!

The scientists have to be immediately reminded, that they are the ones providing the politicians with all these self destructive nuclear weapons.

Scientists are behaving against humanity, they are behaving against all life on earth, they are behaving against their own children, and against their own loved ones.

They are sowing seeds of death for all.

It is time that scientists should learn to discriminate, what helps life and what destroys life?

All the scientists the world over are in the service of politicians, of governments, that means in the service of death and war.

A great rebellion is needed!

Just as scientists rebelled once against religion, fought against religion, now they have to fight against politics, against nationalism.

Their responsibility is great.

They are the most important people for the survival of humanity.

Because now, the very existence of humanity is at stake.

Without scientists working on all these weapons of death, what do these politicians have in their hands?

We have to create a mass uprising all over the world.

And we have to do it now!

The masses have to be awakened against these scientists, and these criminal politicians.

The scientists have become now the greatest danger, and their association with politicians has to be broken.

It is the responsibility of all scientists to refuse to work on all existing, and future projects of weapons of mass destruction.

To destroy and sabotage all their existing work on nuclear weapons.

Our very lives depend on it!

Scientists, need to inspire the masses to rise up against all the politicians, and all the nations that manufacture and posses these weapons of death.

And to not stop, until we have a complete and total global ban on all research, development, production and possession, of all nuclear weapons by every nation on the planet!

Up to now science has been accidental.

Scientists have been just groping in the dark, finding something, becoming great discoverers.

Now that time is over.

Groping in the dark they have unlocked the atom, and created nuclear weapons!

The scientists have to stand on their own, be courageous, and absolutely clear that they are not going to be exploited anymore.

And they are being exploited everywhere.

Just because they are being paid great salaries, given Nobel prizes, great honor, they are ready to sacrifice the whole of humanity, for their worthless Nobel prizes, and for all those stupid awards.

Scientists should no longer behave like children.

These awards and these prizes, and these respectable posts are all toys to befool, and even your greatest scientists are behaving like fools.

Enough, it’s time to grow up.

Be responsible!

Scientists are still in the service of the old outdated mind, and the old humanity, the old politicians, the old ideologies.

In fact they are preparing a funeral for all humanity.

Instead, they should prepare a funeral for the old outdated mind, for all the politicians, and their outdated ideologies, which are already dead!

They have to condemn the politicians, if they force them to work in the service of death.

They have to refuse totally, everywhere, in every country on the planet.

The whole world should unite against all these nuclear nations, against all these politicians, that posses and threaten life on this beautiful planet, and force all these nations to stop this mad race of nuclear weapons and power.

But there seems to be no protest, there seems to be no worry?

https://medium.com/@WhenWarDisappears

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation

tl;dr my friend, tl;dr.

mark
mark

Are you another bullet point bot?

Ghost

What was that?

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

MG.
I think it’s that same troll with a new name. Sounds computer generated.

ha
ha

funny that you of all people might ask

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Ha, are you Vietnamese?

ha
ha

nope, just a casual observer noting the hypocrisy of the pot calling the kettle black

22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor
22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor

Please stop it with the hoaxed nuclear weapons.

Rdawg
Rdawg

What? No Miles W. Mathis links? Lover’s spat?

ursel doran
ursel doran

Central banksters are moving to the Yellow Dog, and the Yellow dog smells whats coming. Looks like USD $1,500 any day now and the wake up call will come from all the financial press talking heads.
Schiff has been on the band wagon for some time other currencies are notable.
https://schiffgold.com/key-gold-news/gold-hits-record-highs/

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

ursel..
It went over this afternoon.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Ursel.
forget that. was giving you overseas conversion to dollars. Didn’t hit that here.

Mary Christine

You were only a few hours early. It’s $1515 as of right now.

Peter Harris
Peter Harris

Hey Jim, you incoherent blithering dropkick, the greatest threat to the United States, is people killing each other with military-style semi-automatic weapons.

SmallerGovNow
SmallerGovNow

dumb ass alert…

Peter Harris
Peter Harris

Jim, dumb ass?
Sure, along with all the rest of you Trump loving idiots…

Richard
Richard

“For this Fourth Turning to put an end to all this would require an extremely unlikely blend of social disaster, human malevolence, technological perfection and bad luck.”

Bullshit. All it takes is a crazy loon pressing the button to unleash the ultimate destruction on earth… AND YOU KNOW IT.

Why do you people ALWAYS try to pretend to’ keep hope alive’ when there clearly is none.. and in so doing, invent absolute nonsense. Why not just say it outright:

“The first outcome is the one where certain, universal annihilation will take place. In this outcome, there is no avoidance of total extinction. This will simply be the time when the planet has no further use for man.”

Why not? Oh, mercy! Must mean nobody will ever read your stuff again! Can’t have that, no, can we?

Builder
Builder

By stating that they ‘hope’ in something, they admit (and I often do too) that part of themselves is unwilling and unable to face what the almost certain unpleasantness, i.e., utter destruction of Western civilization will mean to them. Dismemberment and one’s carcass being consumed, ala ‘The Road’, is no one’s idea of a perfect retirement plan.

Mary Christine

I’m the “fashionably late to the party girl” this time.

I don’t make predictions because I’m not God. I can speculate, but I once insisted the DOW would never make it past 18,000. So there’s that, too. Now I’m gun shy.

That said, I think #4 is very highly unlikely. However, there are too many “unknown unknowns” ( to quote a person we all love to hate because he deserves it) to do anything beyond educated guesses.

I think #3 is a likely scenario because I believe that is what TBTP want to happen. #2 could follow #3, not necessarily because the rest of the world is so intertwined, but because the climate is cooling and growing cycles are getting shorter. Food shortages are going to cause famine beyond anything we can imagine. I’m betting TBTP know this and are pushing the warming scam specifically to rid the planet of useless eaters.

And, no, I’m not ready. I think the change that is coming will be beyond anything we can be prepared for, at least mentally.

Don’t forget to enjoy every minute you possibly can while you still can.

Thanks, Jim, for all you do.

robert orians
robert orians

I hate to admit it publically but I have been prepping for years and am ready for even a major nuke war . My underground church has been preaching this 4th turning for many years . It’s all prophecy dude !

Iconoclast421

” I have an overwhelming feeling of foreboding about the unrelenting forces pushing the world towards economic collapse and military confrontation.”

Is it any coincidence that that volcanic plume with the lightning kinda looks like a giant demon?

Jay
Jay

The enemies of America will stir up racial violence and use that as an excuse to bring foreign troops on American soil from the United Nations. Those troops may well be exterminated by American troops and other citizens, but they will weaken America to the point where a Russian or Chinese invasion could be successful.

22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor
22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor

Now you’re thinking.

The USSA military will stand down if that’s what they’re told to do.

Noted
Noted

Like on 9-11

Jay
Jay

The United Nations will be used to destroy free speech, confiscate weapons of self defense, murder and rape citizens and confiscate food and resources from private citizens at will. When they enter the country they will commit the same crimes against American citizens that they have committed against other nations around the world just like any other army would do, on a larger scale, but they do it in the name of keeping peace. The Bible tells us that “by peace he will destroy many.”

Jay
Jay

Here is the list of what the U.N. is planning.
1-Mass roundup of political dissidents.These will most likely be declared as terrorists and enemies of the state and will be linked to the precipitating false flag event,This will be the unfolding of Red and Blue Lists as spoken of by Steve Quayle for the last couple of decades. The NDAA will provide the pseudo legal authority to snatch key Americans out of their homes and off of the street.
2-Dusk to dawn curfews which are designed to keep the people from congregating and planning in concert to overthrow the omnipresent tyranny.
3-Rationing of essential resources as specified in Executive Order (EO) 13603.
4-The seizing of personal assets such as food and water as specified in EO 13603.
5-Control over all food and water as specified in EO 13603.
6-The prohibition of weapons of any kind including guns, knives or chemicals which can be turned into explosives. It will become a capital crime to possess a weapon of any type.
7-The confiscation of property, homes and businesses as provided for in FM 39.4 and EO 13603.
8-Arrests without due process (NDAA).
9-Massive “papers please” checkpoints with intrusive searches.
10-Forced relocation of suspected American dissidents as specified by the Civilian Inmate Labor Program and the Civilian Conscription Program, under the Secretary of Labor, in EO 13603. This will mark the introduction of slave labor in American in which the conscripts are called (unpaid) consultants.
11-Forced conscription into various labor camps and even into the military (EO 13603). Also medical martial law policies could be invoked in the advent of the introduction of a pathogen which is being provided by arriving immigrants on our southern border.
12-Outlawing of free speech. Following terror attacks in the Obama administration, former AG Loretta Lynch promised federal crackdowns on those speaking out against Muslim extremism in any form. We are now seeing similar rhetoric coming out of Congress with regard to political criticism. Chuck Schumer is introducing such a bill.
13-The installation of massive surveillance programs and the establishment of snitch programs which would mark the rebirth of former Secretary of DHS, Janet Napolitano, in which neighbors are encouraged to “say something, if these see something”. The new red flag laws fit this profile where your neighbor can make up a story about you and you will be raided and your guns taken. The NSA police state surveillance programs speak for themselves. It is highly recommended that every American go see the Oliver Stone movie, Snowden.
14-The total control or elimination of religion. The Bible is already being characterized as hate speech. Today, one who is Christian is cast as anti-gay/transgender, anti-government, etc.
15-Control of the media. Except for the total eradication of the alternative media, this has already happened. ICANN will finish the job.
16-Executions without due process of law (NDAA).
17-Total suspension of the Constitution as this is essentially complete in light of actions such as EO 13603 and the NDAA. I did not even mention the multiple of sexual assault allegation made against UN troops in other venues.

mark
mark

Good post Jay.

Jay
Jay

I can’t sit quiet when I know people are about to be murdered.

mark
mark

The devil is in the details and you put the details up…I saved that list!

I know a good man when I read him.

Jay
Jay

I recognize it too even if it comes from numerous sources.

Anonymous
Anonymous

200,000,000 plus Americans.

600,000,000 plus firearms. The currently published estimates of firearms in existence are wildly low.

Now, add in the fact that for every firearm, most anyone worth his or her salt has a minimum of 1000 rounds per caliber, and likely 2x or more, and then we’ll see how we end up.

22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor
22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor

The UN fags can make all the plans they want.

Executing the plans would be a different story.

The UN can’t hold a small African nation temporarily without getting shot up, but you propose the UN is capable of raining down final terror on the USA?

splurge
splurge

I’m inclined to think #3 with a stipulation that America might continue on in a smaller form, as the continental nation breaks into smaller more homogeneous pieces. Such an outcome could eventually reassemble into a restored whole that could move toward #2 or become a long-term collage that could push us toward #4.
Thanks, another excellent piece Jim. You are always a pleasure to read.

WestcoastDeplorable
WestcoastDeplorable

Pretty good! I learned quite a bit, Admin.

Speedy
Speedy

199

Ghost

Actually, I think I got 200 as well, but it was an accidental comment, so I didn’t claim it.

Baby Buster

We haven’t even entered the Fourth Turning yet. If we had, 9/11 would have genuinely united the country (it didn’t), and the 2008 financial “meltdown,” which didn’t even push the unemployment rate as high as it got at the end of 1982, didn’t even come close to doing that. We are still more in the Third Turning than ever, with its firestorms over bakers refusing to bake cakes for same-sex weddings, NFL players kneeling during the national anthem, the putative War on Christmas, and other examples too numerous, and too wearisome, to cite.

This is simply the Civil War Saeculum in reverse, with a hideously elongated Unraveling era.

But the stars – actually the planets – offer a clue as to what’s ahead: On June 30, 1860, there was a perihelic opposition of Mars and the Sun as seen from the Earth, causing Mars to flare up unusually bright in our sky (these events occur twice every 32 years – one 15 years after the last and 17 years before the next). Then, on October 25, 1861, there was a conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn, which happens every 20 years, the two events falling just under 16 months apart. And we all know what happened between June 1860 and October 1861 (two “things” actually – the election of Abraham Lincoln, and the firing on Fort Sumter).

Well on October 13, 2020, there will be a perihelic opposition of Mars and the Sun, and on December 21, 2020, a conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn – the two events’ closest coincidence in at least 2,000 years!

Don_in_Odessa
Don_in_Odessa

The prudent will prepare as much as they are able. For all they cannot do, faith in our Creator will suffice. Not that faith alone will prevent evil from befalling us. But it can and will help us to get through bad times.

Anonymous
Anonymous

This time , something new might appear out of left field . Isaiah 24:20 !!! WHY?? Isaiah 24:5 Read the context of Isaiah 24 now . Sounds eerily similar to the book of Revelation. DID WE GET A HEADS UP RECENTLY with regard to the book of Revelation and specifically Revelation 12:1-5??? ablever7.blogspot.com hmmmmm For more information consider reading ablever11.blogspot.com What are the signs of the end of the age??? Matthew 24 Luke 17 Luke 21 Psalm 2 Psalm 83 Jeremiah 49:24 Zechariah 12:1,2

Thunderbird
Thunderbird

“America would be reborn. But, reborn it would not be the same.”

America seems to be a place where children are not growing into adulthood mentally. The definition of adulthood has been changed. So yes, america reborn will not be the same.

The Fourth Turning is upon us, yes. But in the end who will be affected most? The poor who are surviving in a society of rich & well to do that could care less about their welfare or… the rich and well to do who stand to lose everything?

In the end we live a short time in this miraculous world that on the one hand offers prosperity to those who have the will to sort out the contradictions and make a productive & purposeful life on this dramatic earth, while many others spend their time groping for riches, power and conquest in an ever decaying material world; or swimming in poverty because they failed to develop the talents given them by their impersonal creator in the heavens of our consciousness.

The opposite pole of our circumstances of violence, mayhem, self serving greed and arrogance is love & understanding in an interdependent world where all work is to make life better.

Maybe this Fourth Turning will teach us to change our thinking and pull us out of this cycle we have created by thinking only of ourselves.

The recent mass shootings we have witnessed is very telling in that what we put into our minds does produce outward material results that are very negative.

Calling for more gun control is missing the point. Outward actions based on emotion do not produce lasting results. Only a change in thought and attitude produces an outward change that is beneficial and lasting.

We have to look at what our youth are filling their minds with. Violent video games and movies are poisoning the minds of our youth.

So why are we calling on a ban on guns rather than a ban on violent video games and movies?

Why can’t Hollywood produce adventure movies of exploration and promoting the sciences so our youth can learn about the many mysteries of our dramatic planet and universe. Humanity is really one soul and we need to understand this.

So when we witness these mass shootings we need to ask the question of why rather than descent to our binary thinking in polarities and assign blame to objects rather than thoughts.

Why are these thoughts happening? Because the human brain is a computer and when we put garbage in we get bad outward results. So we really need to take account of what we fill our minds with.

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