Below is our list of twelve medical experts whose opinions on the Coronavirus outbreak contradict the official narratives of the MSM, and the memes so prevalent on social media.
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Dr Sucharit Bhakdi is a specialist in microbiology. He was a professor at the Johannes Gutenberg University in Mainz and head of the Institute for Medical Microbiology and Hygiene and one of the most cited research scientists in German history.
What he says:
We are afraid that 1 million infections with the new virus will lead to 30 deaths per day over the next 100 days. But we do not realise that 20, 30, 40 or 100 patients positive for normal coronaviruses are already dying every day.
[The government’s anti-COVID19 measures] are grotesque, absurd and very dangerous […] The life expectancy of millions is being shortened. The horrifying impact on the world economy threatens the existence of countless people. The consequences on medical care are profound. Already services to patients in need are reduced, operations cancelled, practices empty, hospital personnel dwindling. All this will impact profoundly on our whole society.
All these measures are leading to self-destruction and collective suicide based on nothing but a spook.
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Dr Wolfgang Wodarg is a German physician specialising in Pulmonology, politician and former chairman of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe. In 2009 he called for an inquiry into alleged conflicts of interest surrounding the EU response to the Swine Flu pandemic.
What he says:
Politicians are being courted by scientists…scientists who want to be important to get money for their institutions. Scientists who just swim along in the mainstream and want their part of it […] And what is missing right now is a rational way of looking at things.
We should be asking questions like “How did you find out this virus was dangerous?”, “How was it before?”, “Didn’t we have the same thing last year?”, “Is it even something new?”
That’s missing.
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Dr Joel Kettner s professor of Community Health Sciences and Surgery at Manitoba University, former Chief Public Health Officer for Manitoba province and Medical Director of the International Centre for Infectious Diseases.
What he says:
I have never seen anything like this, anything anywhere near like this. I’m not talking about the pandemic, because I’ve seen 30 of them, one every year. It is called influenza. And other respiratory illness viruses, we don’t always know what they are. But I’ve never seen this reaction, and I’m trying to understand why.
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I worry about the message to the public, about the fear of coming into contact with people, being in the same space as people, shaking their hands, having meetings with people. I worry about many, many consequences related to that.
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In Hubei, in the province of Hubei, where there has been the most cases and deaths by far, the actual number of cases reported is 1 per 1000 people and the actual rate of deaths reported is 1 per 20,000. So maybe that would help to put things into perspective.
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Dr John Ioannidis Professor of Medicine, of Health Research and Policy and of Biomedical Data Science, at Stanford University School of Medicine and a Professor of Statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences. He is director of the Stanford Prevention Research Center, and co-director of the Meta-Research Innovation Center at Stanford (METRICS).
He is also the editor-in-chief of the European Journal of Clinical Investigation. He was chairman at the Department of Hygiene and Epidemiology, University of Ioannina School of Medicine as well as adjunct professor at Tufts University School of Medicine.
As a physician, scientist and author he has made contributions to evidence-based medicine, epidemiology, data science and clinical research. In addition, he pioneered the field of meta-research. He has shown that much of the published research does not meet good scientific standards of evidence.
What he says:
Patients who have been tested for SARS-CoV-2 are disproportionately those with severe symptoms and bad outcomes. As most health systems have limited testing capacity, selection bias may even worsen in the near future.
The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its quarantine passengers. The case fatality rate there was 1.0%, but this was a largely elderly population, in which the death rate from Covid-19 is much higher.
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Could the Covid-19 case fatality rate be that low? No, some say, pointing to the high rate in elderly people. However, even some so-called mild or common-cold-type coronaviruses that have been known for decades can have case fatality rates as high as 8% when they infect elderly people in nursing homes.
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If we had not known about a new virus out there, and had not checked individuals with PCR tests, the number of total deaths due to “influenza-like illness” would not seem unusual this year. At most, we might have casually noted that flu this season seems to be a bit worse than average.
– “A fiasco in the making? As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data”, Stat News, 17th March 2020
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Dr Yoram Lass is an Israeli physician, politician and former Director General of the Health Ministry. He also worked as Associate Dean of the Tel Aviv University Medical School and during the 1980s presented the science-based television show Tatzpit.
What he says:
Italy is known for its enormous morbidity in respiratory problems, more than three times any other European country. In the US about 40,000 people die in a regular flu season and so far 40-50 people have died of the coronavirus, most of them in a nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.
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In every country, more people die from regular flu compared with those who die from the coronavirus.
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…there is a very good example that we all forget: the swine flu in 2009. That was a virus that reached the world from Mexico and until today there is no vaccination against it. But what? At that time there was no Facebook or there maybe was but it was still in its infancy. The coronavirus, in contrast, is a virus with public relations.
Whoever thinks that governments end viruses is wrong.
– Interview in Globes, March 22nd 2020
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Dr Pietro Vernazza is a Swiss physician specialising Infectious Diseases at the Cantonal Hospital St. Gallen and Professor of Health Policy.
What he says:
We have reliable figures from Italy and a work by epidemiologists, which has been published in the renowned science journal ‹Science›, which examined the spread in China. This makes it clear that around 85 percent of all infections have occurred without anyone noticing the infection. 90 percent of the deceased patients are verifiably over 70 years old, 50 percent over 80 years.
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In Italy, one in ten people diagnosed die, according to the findings of the Science publication, that is statistically one of every 1,000 people infected. Each individual case is tragic, but often – similar to the flu season – it affects people who are at the end of their lives.
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If we close the schools, we will prevent the children from quickly becoming immune.
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We should better integrate the scientific facts into the political decisions.
– Interview in St. Galler Tagblatt, 22nd March 2020
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Frank Ulrich Montgomery is German radiologist, former President of the German Medical Association and Deputy Chairman of the World Medical Association.
What he says:
I’m not a fan of lockdown. Anyone who imposes something like this must also say when and how to pick it up again. Since we have to assume that the virus will be with us for a long time, I wonder when we will return to normal? You can’t keep schools and daycare centers closed until the end of the year. Because it will take at least that long until we have a vaccine. Italy has imposed a lockdown and has the opposite effect. They quickly reached their capacity limits, but did not slow down the virus spread within the lockdown.
– Interview in General Anzeiger, 18th March 2020
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Prof. Hendrik Streeck is a German HIV researcher, epidemiologist and clinical trialist. He is professor of virology, and the director of the Institute of Virology and HIV Research, at Bonn University.
What he says:
The new pathogen is not that dangerous, it is even less dangerous than Sars-1. The special thing is that Sars-CoV-2 replicates in the upper throat area and is therefore much more infectious because the virus jumps from throat to throat, so to speak. But that is also an advantage: Because Sars-1 replicates in the deep lungs, it is not so infectious, but it definitely gets on the lungs, which makes it more dangerous.
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You also have to take into account that the Sars-CoV-2 deaths in Germany were exclusively old people. In Heinsberg, for example, a 78-year-old man with previous illnesses died of heart failure, and that without Sars-2 lung involvement. Since he was infected, he naturally appears in the Covid 19 statistics. But the question is whether he would not have died anyway, even without Sars-2.
– Interview in Frankfurter Allgemeine, 16th March 2020
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Dr Yanis Roussel et. al. – A team of researchers from the Institut Hospitalo-universitaire Méditerranée Infection, Marseille and the Institut de Recherche pour le Développement, Assistance Publique-Hôpitaux de Marseille, conducting a peer-reviewed study on Coronavirus mortality for the government of France under the ‘Investments for the Future’ programme.
What they say:
The problem of SARS-CoV-2 is probably overestimated, as 2.6 million people die of respiratory infections each year compared with less than 4000 deaths for SARS-CoV-2 at the time of writing.
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This study compared the mortality rate of SARS-CoV-2 in OECD countries (1.3%) with the mortality rate of common coronaviruses identified in AP-HM patients (0.8%) from 1 January 2013 to 2 March 2020. Chi-squared test was performed, and the P-value was 0.11 (not significant).
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…it should be noted that systematic studies of other coronaviruses (but not yet for SARS-CoV-2) have found that the percentage of asymptomatic carriers is equal to or even higher than the percentage of symptomatic patients. The same data for SARS-CoV-2 may soon be available, which will further reduce the relative risk associated with this specific pathology.
– “SARS-CoV-2: fear versus data”, International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents, 19th March 2020
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Dr. David Katz is an American physician and founding director of the Yale University Prevention Research Center
What he says:
I am deeply concerned that the social, economic and public health consequences of this near-total meltdown of normal life — schools and businesses closed, gatherings banned — will be long-lasting and calamitous, possibly graver than the direct toll of the virus itself. The stock market will bounce back in time, but many businesses never will. The unemployment, impoverishment and despair likely to result will be public health scourges of the first order.
– “Is Our Fight Against Coronavirus Worse Than the Disease?”, New York Times 20th March 2020
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Michael T. Osterholm is regents professor and director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.
What he says:
Consider the effect of shutting down offices, schools, transportation systems, restaurants, hotels, stores, theaters, concert halls, sporting events and other venues indefinitely and leaving all of their workers unemployed and on the public dole. The likely result would be not just a depression but a complete economic breakdown, with countless permanently lost jobs, long before a vaccine is ready or natural immunity takes hold.
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[T]he best alternative will probably entail letting those at low risk for serious disease continue to work, keep business and manufacturing operating, and “run” society, while at the same time advising higher-risk individuals to protect themselves through physical distancing and ramping up our health-care capacity as aggressively as possible. With this battle plan, we could gradually build up immunity without destroying the financial structure on which our lives are based.
– “Facing covid-19 reality: A national lockdown is no cure”, Washington Post 21st March 2020
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Dr Peter Goetzsche is Professor of Clinical Research Design and Analysis at the University of Copenhagen and founder of the Cochrane Medical Collaboration. He has written several books on corruption in the field of medicine and the power of big pharmaceutical companies.
What he says:
Our main problem is that no one will ever get in trouble for measures that are too draconian. They will only get in trouble if they do too little. So, our politicians and those working with public health do much more than they should do.
No such draconian measures were applied during the 2009 influenza pandemic, and they obviously cannot be applied every winter, which is all year round, as it is always winter somewhere. We cannot close down the whole world permanently.
Should it turn out that the epidemic wanes before long, there will be a queue of people wanting to take credit for this. And we can be damned sure draconian measures will be applied again next time. But remember the joke about tigers. “Why do you blow the horn?” “To keep the tigers away.” “But there are no tigers here.” “There you see!”
– “Corona: an epidemic of mass panic”, blog post on Deadly Medicines 21st March 2020
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So what will be the new term used to denigrate the people like those in the article that question the narrative on this thing? If 9/11 were “truthers”, I’m sure something must be in the works for vilifying anyone that thinks this whole situation is vastly overblown and just being used as a power grab.
Deniers. It covers everything with slime from 9/11 to climate to covid.
Simple for me, if they buy the narrative and label me then I figure they are not on my side. Everyone will get to choose. All I can say is choose wisely,honor your choice and the rest will work itself out.
Flea, Neibo, Maggie,
Flea/Neibo, I know you both follow the redhead, would want to hear your thoughts. Maggie, you are a hellva researcher, what do you think? The technology is past me.
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Mark.
Let me do this in two parts.
5G is not a stand alone deal to poison us although it does a great job. I keep screaming “Don’t take the vaccines” for a reason. It isn’t the mercury either although it’s not good. The link between mind and emotion control is in the vaccines which interact with 5G. It makes your body an involuntary garden slug or maybe more accurately it gives you a “Partial Lobotomy” and unable to resist programming. It changes while in your tissue and actually makes you the Debit card/cell phone. Instead of your cell phone giving you away, your body will do it. As he says, it’s not complete yet but soon will be. The next crisis will bring involuntary vaccinations.
There is a solution but few will submit to the soul searching and leveling of our pride that is required by Christ our King. He gives us a DNA change in our blood. Blood is holy, even the blood in the unsaved but it’s not activated till one is completely willing to subjugate self and die to self by making Christ both Lord and Master. We cannot hold back any sacred cows that wee refuse to send to the glue factory. It’s the “Other Mark” in revelation. The one where the Angel says for the Plague to wait till all of Christs servants are marked. Right now too many Christians lack discernment because they hold back from total servitude to Christ. The Bible call it being a Bond Servant. That is a hard saying for humans but it’s the price and is non negotiable.
About TV. He’s right. Nothing but 24/7 fear and anxiety peddling because it reduces the immune system to be under that much stress and because you can’t think clearly and reason. You saw what fear does in combat. This is just a slow drip version.
My buddy is a shut in so I go on errands twice a week for him. He’s become addicted to the constant fear porn on TV. The background music and scenery are sickening to someone who never watches TV like myself. I had to tell him he has to turn it completely if he wants me to come in his house. Even turning down the sound doesn’t change the effects. The constant screen flashing and light changes mess up my heart rhythm and he has become impossible to talk to. He sits and lives right between his computer and TV with the TV about 3 or 4 feet away and on so loud you can’t hear anything else. All the while on fakebook and chat rooms in a closed info loop guaranteed to block all contrary info. Pretty sick.
Abut 5g, you said,
“it gives you a “Partial Lobotomy” and unable to resist programming.”
Judging from Americans today, this seems totally unnecessary overkill. The programming to date has been fully received, saturaion reached.
Death seems far less costly and complex for the tiny percentage who reject current programming.
Flea,
Thanks.
When it comes to the ‘science’ component I have no problem being thought a fool…rather than opening my mouth and removing any and all doubt.
All the other components of his Vid appealed to me, as well as all of your answers…and the premise of the possibility that what ‘The Luciferian Powers That Be’ have recently executed using this ‘virus’ is just leading up to part 2 with 5G.
I’m just trying to confirm that possibility. Does the threat match the science?
I have a 32 page report that says yes, from a Math PHD who is a retired Pastor friend of mine I would like to put in anyone’s hand (with the interest and especially the chops to verify his supporting links) and shine some light on this potential dark evil.
I was thinking of sending the PDF to Admin and if some of the brighter minds in that discipline are interested, and they requested it, maybe Admin could forward it and they could comment?
I have sent it directly to Maggie and will to Donkey as we occasionally go back and forth, and later (I have to leave as its family fishing time at the pond) I will send it to Yo & L as we talk once in a while.
Best to you my brother.
Mark.
Check Last American Vagabond video today on you tube.
5G law signed into law while everyone is distracted. Also gives links to health dangers like cancer. Is a type 2B carcinogen.
Check out Chris Martenson at Peak Prosperity for a more balanced look at the data.
John.
He is a shill for the panic mongers.
Actually, I have been very impressed with his critical analysis of the hype flying around, from both sides of the argument.
The new term will be “idiots”, or more precise as Nassim calls such, “IYI” (Intellectuals yet idiots.)
I stopped watching the TV for any news about this last week as it was all inflammatory and exacerbated the whole problem. If I get sick I’ll go see my doctor if it is more than a seasonal cold/flu bug………and historically they can be tough on me lasting as much as 14 days……..
As for the experts and their contributions above I would hope their voices are heard and acted on and not to start the chorus of 535 clowns in Washington dc for more money!
The big question that’s only now starting to dawn on people: When, not if, this virus or another virus shows up in the future, do we shut down the country/world again? If so, we’ll have shut downs every second year, which equals permanent depression. Possible, if not probable, the virus will diminish enough to open things up again maybe by June, then it’ll likely bounce back because it’s so contagious, either in July or in the fall. Shut everything down again? They’ve set the precedent, and even if the virus would’ve burned itself out as most viruses do in summertime, the politicians will take credit for defusing the crisis and will do the same thing next time–and people will demand it. That’s the nightmare few are considering. Why not pour billions into building up our capacity to fight this and all future viruses (more hospital beds, more ventilators, more testing kits, ample masks, etc.), as opposed to tens, hundreds, thousands of billions supporting the economy through a mandatory shutdown? As hard as I try I can’t make sense out of the whole thing.
Don’t worry, that big question only becomes relevant if we’d stop the virus now.
Which isn’t going to happen.
Whether the world is over/under reacting is immaterial if you or yours have a severe case of the virus and rationed care.
THE ISSUE IS THE GLOBAL LACK OF PREPAREDNESS for one of the ultimate costs of globalization, global exponential expansion of novel disease(S). This is true regardless of the source; nature or man.
The U.S.A. is in the bottom third of the OECD countries w.r.t. hospital bed per 1000 people, and dropping.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_OECD_countries_by_hospital_beds
Medicine is a cost to society like Fire Fighters, Police(Peace Keepers, not Mulcters), Military, … . Running medicine for profit increases its fragility to systemic shock as redundancy is forcibly eliminated in a race to the bottom line.
Locking down the economy is only going to exacerbate ALL the costs. Incentivize the production of PPE, ventilators, mobile hospitals. Accept the SUCK. Get on with saving those you can and getting prepared for the next global bug.
Quit the bitchin. Get doing.
At this point in the game I don’t have enough data to form a solid opinion one way or another.
I do have some personal information from two friends.
My best friends daughter and son in law are sick with the virus. Both are in their early 40’s,in great physical shape etc. She’s not having a tough time with the virus;he is . So far both are at home.
Another friend has a co-worker whose mom,dad,brother and nephew ( 2 years old ) all tested positive last week. Mom died yesterday,she was 74. Dad isn’t expected to live either . The brother and nephew are doing OK.
I’ll save my opinion until May 15th .
My debunking of two of those IYIs, Joel Kettner and Sucharit Bhakdi.