I wrote the first three parts of this article back in September and planned to finish it in early October, but life intervened and truthfully I don’t think I was ready to confront how bad things will likely get as this Fourth Turning moves into the violent, chaotic war stage just over the horizon. The developments in the Middle East, Europe, U.S., China and across the globe in the last months have confirmed my belief war drums are beating louder, global war beckons, and much bloodshed will be the result. Fourth Turnings proceed at their own pace within the 20 to 25 year crisis framework, but there is one guarantee – they never de-intensify as they progress. Just as Winter gets colder, stormier and more bitter as you proceed from December through February, Fourth Turnings get nastier, grimmer, more perilous, with our way of life hanging in the balance.

In Part 1 of this article I discussed the catalyst spark which ignited this Fourth Turning and the seemingly delayed regeneracy. In Part 2 I pondered possible Grey Champion prophet generation leaders who could arise during the regeneracy. In Part 3 I focused on the economic channel of distress which is likely to be the primary driving force in the next phase of this Crisis. In Part 4 I will assess the social and cultural channels of distress dividing the nation, Part 5 the technological, ecological, political, military channels of distress likely to burst forth with the molten ingredients of this Fourth Turning, and finally in Part 6 our rendezvous with destiny, with potential climaxes to this Winter of our discontent.

The road ahead will be distressful for everyone living in the U.S., as we experience the horrors of war, economic collapse, civil chaos, political upheaval, and the tearing of society’s social fabric. The pain and suffering being experienced across the globe today will not bypass the people of the United States. Winter has arrived and lethal storms are gathering in the distance. Don’t think you can escape. You can prepare, but this Crisis will reshape our society for better or worse, and you cannot sidestep the consequences or cruel environment we must survive.

“Reflect on what happens when a terrible winter blizzard strikes. You hear the weather warning but probably fail to act on it. The sky darkens. Then the storm hits with full fury, and the air is a howling whiteness. One by one, your links to the machine age break down. Electricity flickers out, cutting off the TV. Batteries fade, cutting off the radio. Phones go dead. Roads become impossible, and cars get stuck. Food supplies dwindle. Day to day vestiges of modern civilization – bank machines, mutual funds, mass retailers, computers, satellites, airplanes, governments – all recede into irrelevance. Picture yourself and your loved ones in the midst of a howling blizzard that lasts several years. Think about what you would need, who could help you, and why your fate might matter to anybody other than yourself. That is how to plan for a saecular winter. Don’t think you can escape the Fourth Turning. History warns that a Crisis will reshape the basic social and economic environment that you now take for granted.” – Strauss & Howe The Fourth Turning

Social Distress

The vast and growing Grand Canyon sized gap between the haves and have nots, and the societal implications of an elitist uber-wealthy minority capturing the levers of our economic, financial, and political systems, using that control to further enrich themselves at the expense of the isolated working class, can be clearly understood by following the dialogue between three billionaires chatting on stage at a conference thrown by a convicted Wall Street criminal.

Sheryl Sandberg: “Yeah, so let’s follow up on a bunch of the things we were talking about. Let’s start with income inequality.”

Hank Paulson: “Ok, well.. income inequality. I think this is something we’ve all thought about. You know I was working on that topic when I was still at Goldman Sachs..”

Robert Rubin: “In which direction? You were working on increasing it.”

Hank Paulson then bursts out laughing: “Yeah! We were making it wider!”

Paulson and Rubin spent vast portions of their lives working for the vampire squid on the face of America – Goldman Sachs. This firm represents everything wrong with our social order, as they use all means (legal or illegal) to enrich themselves, whether it be back stabbing clients, double crossing partners, eviscerating vulnerable competitors, robbing the poor, rigging markets, buying influence, placing executives in the highest levels of government, or screwing the taxpayer when their risky gambles blow up the world. Paulson and Rubin are the perfect representatives of the .1% ruling class who protect their interests and the interests of their crony capitalist colleagues at all costs. They truly believe they are shrewder, more astute, cleverer, deserving of the billions they have absconded through rigging the markets, should be running the country behind the scenes, and merit the worship of the lowly peasantry.

The gap between the richest 1% and the bottom 90% has never been wider in history. The previous largest gap occurred in 1929, at the start of the last Fourth Turning. When the real median household income hasn’t advanced in the last 26 years and men’s real wages are where they were in 1971, while CEOs of S&P 500 companies make 331 times their workers and Wall Street hedge fund managers make billions while paying no taxes, you have building anger, disillusionment and calls for retribution.

Some people are waking up to the fact the Ben Bernanke led Federal Reserve and the Hank Paulson/Tim Geithner led Treasury saved their buddies on Wall Street while throwing the people on Main Street under the bus. When Wall Street’s leveraged risk bets pay off, they reap all the riches – as is happening today. When their colossal wagers go bad, the propaganda about systematic failure is rolled out and the American people are stuck with the losses. The goal has always been to revive the stock market and make sure the Wall Street banks continue to generate billions in profits, while leaving the taxpayer on the hook for their failed bets.

The OWS and Tea Party were both grass roots initiated movements as a societal response to the distress created by Wall Street and their government crony cohorts. The Wall Street banks colluded with DHS and captured politicians of both parties to crush OWS and subvert the Tea Party. The Deep State’s success in squashing dissent from what they considered the lowly peasants has only been temporarily papered over by the $10 trillion of debt issued to keep the masses sedated, deluded and ignorant about the true nature of the ongoing crisis. The storyline about the 1% is misleading, as many people in the 1% are small business owners, doctors, and professional workers. The true story is the exponential wealth increase of the .1% over the last 35 years as the financialization of the economy has enriched psychopathic, highly educated men who produce nothing but misery, debt, and ultimately social unrest.

Decomposing the 1% reveals the top .1% increasing their share of the national wealth from less than 9% in 1980 to over 21% today. These are the corporate CEO’s buying back their company stock at all-time highs in order to boost their stock based compensation, Wall Street executives who committed the largest control fraud in world history while unabashedly flaunting laws & regulations, hedge fund managers who manipulate and rig the markets while paying no taxes on their billion dollar profits, and billionaire cronies who profit from the military industrial complex and sick care complex by paying off politicians to write laws in their favor and funnel government contracts to them. The sacking and pillaging of the nation’s wealth by psychopaths who are never satisfied with their current vast level of riches, power and control, exposes itself in the tremendous recovery on Wall Street and the ongoing depression on Main Street.

A simmering rage is bubbling below the surface as 20% of American households rely on food stamps to survive, the percentage of Americans in the labor force stands at a four decade low, real household income remains stagnant at 1988 levels, corporate profits have reached record levels while corporations continue to fire Americans – shipping their jobs overseas, and the six mega-corporations representing the mainstream media cover up the truth, mislead the public with propaganda, while celebrating the .1% as saviors of our economy. There is nothing more volatile to societal stability than millions of unemployed men, growing angry and resentful towards the ruling class for their lot in life.

The vast gulf between the haves and have nots will fuel further violence between the classes, as our fraying society is already seething with anger between races, religions, political parties, and genders. The increasingly brutal police state, militarization of local police forces, shaking down of citizens through fines, and unlawful surveillance of our electronic communications, will lead to a backlash against police.

The Black Lives Matter movement, begun after a number of police brutality incidents against black men, has been hijacked by politically motived race baiters and is exacerbating tensions between blacks and whites. The false storyline perpetuated by the media disregards the fact blacks, who represent 13% of the population, commit 22% of all violent crimes and 93% of black shooting victims are shot by other blacks. The white population, abiding by laws, is getting sick of being blamed for the gun violence and lawlessness in liberal ghetto bastions like Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, St. Louis and Philadelphia.

Cultural Distress

Even though the vast majority of gun related crimes happen in urban ghettos and the much publicized mass shootings are committed by mentally deranged young men on psychotropic drugs, liberal control freak politicians use scare tactics and misinformation in their effort to grab the guns of law abiding Americans living in rural regions. It is the elitist hypocrite politicians living on the coasts, protected by armed guards, who want to eviscerate the 2nd Amendment, and think it is fine for the 4th Amendment to be disregarded by police thugs across the land. Disarming the citizenry is essential to implementing a dictatorial regime. The race wars have intensified, as the Black Lives Matter meme has spread to college campuses in Missouri and in the hallowed Ivy League at Yale and Princeton.

The bullying tactics of the pampered participation trophy generation of entitled millennials, being misled by social justice warrior ideologues, is fueling a backlash by older generations who studied, worked hard, obtained useful college degrees, repaid their student loans, and didn’t use race, gender, or micro-aggressions as excuses when they failed. College campuses, which once championed free speech and free thought, have now become bastions of censorship, left wing ideology, suppression of opinion, shouting down of dissent, thought control, and subduing the rights of the majority for the benefit of an outraged minority who resort to violent rhetoric to achieve their outcomes.

Institutions of higher education have become nothing more than glorified daycare centers for kids who never grew up, learned personal responsibility, or developed critical thinking skills. The feckless college faculty and administrators have allowed financial considerations to override learning, as the curriculum has been dumbed down to meet the degraded capabilities of their high self-esteem/low intelligence students. The reality of an increasingly brutal economic environment and high likelihood of war is about to crash headlong into the coddled, pampered, parent protected, iGadget, facebook worlds of millions of millennials.

They will be nothing but cannon fodder for the Deep State unless they develop a backbone, start thinking critically about what is happening in this world, start dealing with reality, stop trusting the government to save them, and make a stand against the corporate fascist tyranny consuming our nation. The Peter Pan Syndrome, where people with the body of an adult but the mind of a child, increasingly dominate the landscape, as a larger number of supposed adults exhibit emotionally immature behaviors. The self-neutering of young men is the result of twelve years of feminist social engineering in government controlled public schools. The wussificiation is complete.

The combination of social justice warriors, pushing agendas completely out of step with mainstream Americans, and a dying legacy media providing infotainment disguised as news, fuels further cultural distress from coast to coast. With liberalism rampant and dominant on the coasts and conservatism governing the heartland, the cultural divide in the country is a gaping chasm. Average Americans trying to live their lives, pay their bills, and raise families have no strong opinions about gay marriage, men dressing like women, or other deviant behavior performed by consenting adults in the privacy of their own households. But when the liberal media, social justice warriors, and Hollywood elites shove the “right” to gay marriage, the crucifying of people for their religious beliefs, the “courage” of a man pretending to be a woman, and the glorification of abhorrent behavior, down the throats of Americans trying to mind their own business, an unforeseen backlash is inevitable.

The war on the traditional family unit, white males, societal norms, common decency, and community standards has gone too far and the pushback from common decent middle class folks has begun. It is a proven fact that households with married parents are on average wealthier, raise kids who do better in school, can withstand economic setbacks better, and have been the backbone of this country since its inception. The feminist belief that women can raise children without men has proven to be a disaster.

With the percentage of married households plunging from over 70% in 1970 to under 50% today, an ominous tipping point has been reached. Rather than address this truly disastrous problem, the radical feminists and race baiters carry on their culture wars. The social justice warriors, prodded by the liberal media and agenda driven ideologues, are offended by free speech, white people, men, married couples, religious freedom, having to repay loans, gun owners, capitalism, carbon dioxide, meat, yoga and anyone who dares to disagree with their antagonistic, bombastic, vacuous nonsense.

Shockingly, they aren’t offended by the tattooed, pierced freaks roaming the streets, angry because no one will hire them. They aren’t offended by the millions of willfully ignorant, low class army of lazy Obama voters who feel entitled to free housing, free medical care, free food, free phones, and free education at the expense of the working middle class. They aren’t offended by the 70% of black babies born out of wedlock and black men shirking their responsibilities as fathers. They aren’t offended by the rampant criminality and murder rates in the Democrat controlled urban ghettos, created by the welfare policies implemented over the last 50 years.

They aren’t offended by 93% of black murders being committed by blacks. They aren’t offended by a president droning wedding parties and bombing hospitals, while fighting undeclared wars in foreign lands. They aren’t offended by the widespread Medicare, SSDI, and food stamp fraud, costing taxpayers billions per year. Normal people living normal lives are sick and tired of the hypocritical, hollow horseshit rubbed in their faces by a dying legacy media and agenda driven social networks on a daily basis. The foolishness and lunacy of these feckless feeble minded warriors against normalcy will be exposed when confronted by the harsh reality of a Fourth Turning.

The rise of Donald Trump and Ben Carson in the early polls for Republican presidential candidate is being fueled by a rising anger and discontent with the corporate media promoting offensive social agendas, the flaunting of the Constitution by a president ruling by executive order, a GOP establishment corrupted by power and unanswerable to their constituents, the disinterest of politicians in both parties in securing our porous southern borders from foreign invasion by illegal hordes. Now the repercussions of Obama ignoring the threats of Islamic extremism and allowing tens of thousands of undocumented Syrian refugees to flood into the country immediately overwhelming our insolvent welfare system and refusing to assimilate into our culture as they worship at mosques where they are taught to hate everything about American culture, is further fueling a political backlash.

As Aldous Huxley realized six decades ago, the truth is unimportant to those controlling the “free” press and shallow distractions will keep the masses occupied while the controllers achieve their goals.

“In regard to propaganda the early advocates of universal literacy and a free press envisaged only two possibilities: the propaganda might be true, or it might be false. They did not foresee what in fact has happened, above all in our Western capitalist democracies — the development of a vast mass communications industry, concerned in the main neither with the true nor the false, but with the unreal, the more or less totally irrelevant. In a word, they failed to take into account man’s almost infinite appetite for distractions.” Aldous Huxley, 1958, in the article The Capitalist Free Press

The media will use their standard propaganda techniques of showing crying women and children to tug at the heartstrings of a naïve, unaware populace to allow refugees from a conflict created by the U.S. in Syria to come into our country. You know the tired rhetoric – give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. But this is a Fourth Turning where the harsh reality crashes headlong into rhetoric, memes, and storylines.

Whether the U.S. government is responsible or not for creating the wave of Islamic radicals practicing their warped religious beliefs across the globe by committing murder against innocent people, the fact remains that only Muslims are waging this war against non-believers. There are no Catholics, Baptists, Lutherans, Jews, Buddhists, or atheists spreading their religious beliefs by committing acts of terror or waging war. A religious war is brewing and the consequences will be far reaching and bloody for those practicing Islam. There may be only a small minority of radical jihadists, but the silence of the majority speaks volumes to non-Muslims around the world.

As this Fourth Turning continues to intensify, the bowing down to political correctness and agendas of social justice warrior bigots by traditional minded Americans is going to stop. The pushback may be violent, as the aggressive tactics of these free speech hating fascists is met with armed confrontation they aren’t anticipating. These “warriors” aren’t exactly the Hero generation who did the heavy lifting during the last Fourth Turning. Privileged, entitled, ignorant millennials bullying weak kneed college professors and milquetoast administrators on the campuses of liberal arts colleges isn’t exactly storming the beaches of Normandy or battling through the jungles on Guadalcanal.

When confronted with Americans who have seen their standard of living falling for the last twenty five years and are sick and tired of hearing drivel about white privilege, black lives matter, safe spaces, gay and transgender “rights”, micro-aggressions, rape culture, misogyny, $15 minimum wage, and a myriad of other offenses against feminism, these easily offended “warriors” will piss their pants. These trivialities will seem so quaint when they are confronted with an angry guy with a gun on the streets or when they are told to report for duty as we wage war with Russia and China. The foolishness of the culture wars will become strikingly apparent when economic collapse and life or death choices confront our special snowflake generation.


  1. I continue to be amazed at the utter cluelessness of the Establishment Republicans and, of course, the “Progressive” Democrats. They are dancing on the edge of a volcano and think they are in the ballroom of the Ritz-Carlton. This article is right on the money. Nobody can say exactly when or why, but the storm will break on our heads soon. It will be gruesome and it will be long. There will be retribution against the people who have ruined our country. You can bet that there are angry men across the land with lists who are shrewd enough to wait for chaos to descend before they act.

    The freak of nature in the White House is perfectly capable of stumbling into all-out war in the Middle East. Imagine, if you will, a U.S. Navy task force annihilated or an entire army division wiped out in a matter of hours. The ignorant posturing fool in the White House would have a gun put to his head by the generals, who would demand he go nuclear to save their asses. Think this is extreme? Think it can’t happen?

    Stay tuned, friends.

  2. Just when I thought it couldn’t get any better!

    I haven’t read it yet, but I just had to let you know that seeing this here tonight is better than if I’d discovered there’s a 1 cent sale on 4 roll packs of Charmin tissue at

    And you KNOW how I love a sale on TP!


  3. Maggie, please don’t unleash yer blithering retardation on Admenstruater’s awesome piece of black doom.

    Oh mah gawd the next decade is gonna be all shit and no enema, if you know what I mean. Great work Jimmy Q!

  4. Well! Happy Thanksgiving. I am to old to participate but Sage saying there are some out there with Retribution Lists warms my old heart. I would be pleased to see some of those sob,s be hung up like Mussolini.

    There are many angry people out there but they direct their anger at most people on this site. Protect yourselves. You will be needed when the dust settles.

  5. I was literally standing up as I got to the last four or five paragraphs. That was absolutely brilliant. There are few things in life as mesmerizing or exciting as pure unadulterated truth in written form, it’s like watching a thunderstorm when you’re standing in the middle of an open field.

    Wow. Just wow. And not in an ironic way.


  6. Sage….the establishment Rep’s and Dem’s are not clueless – they just don’t care, as the driving force for them is money and power.

  7. I don’t comment on your bigger pieces until I get a chance to read them a few times, they are information dense, and takes me awhile to absorb. One question, do I read correctly that you anticipate war on our soil?

  8. Sandberg ,Paulson , Rubin, Bernanke ,Geithner are all from the same hostile ethnic tribe.

    Black lives matter is funded almost entirely by George Soros.

    99% of Feminist are from the same subversive tribe.

    The tired rhetoric : give us your poor ,your huddled masses… Was written by a communist feminist from the same hostile tribe.

    You all see the pattern ?

  9. @starfcker:

    One question, do I read correctly that you anticipate war on our soil?

    –While I can’t answer for Admin, I can give you the opinion of my armed and prepared to defend friends who have been preparing for the war on our woil for the last 7 years, telling our Family of Families group that they are more than happy to support our efforts to make a difference, but they are also realistic.

    Yes, this time, blood will spill on our soil. A lot of it will be Americans, I fear.

  10. Most of the liberal media ( Hollywood , TV ,New Media , the Music industry and the internet companies , Google , Facebook , YouTube ) are controlled by hostile Jews and their White Lackies .

    All of them are agenda driven ideologues who are hostile to traditional society.

    It’s like living within a total mind seize . Seems like being completely surrounded with hostile views and hostile people.

  11. Jim Quinn for President.

    Seriously, if Donald Trump could articulate our current societal mess half as good as Admin can, he’d be a lock for winning the election. On the other hand, there are so may low information voters who haven’t a clue about the state of economy, culture, and corrupt government that we are probably doomed to another 4 years of asswipe liberalism.

    The dam is gonna burst sooner or later.

  12. Westcoaster, that Mark Almond song is one of my favorites from him, and it was that song of that led me to buy the album back in the 1970’s, as a young man trying to find my way in life.

    Thanks for the memory.

  13. Good piece Jim. Very cheery. 🙂

    Whenever I read a 4th turning piece I end up thinking I’m not prepared enough for the inevitable. But when I consider what the inevitable could end up looking like I’m not sure that it’s possible to be truly prepared. Oh well – can’t say life isn’t interesting….

  14. The cruelest irony of all is that the social and cultural distress created by TPTB is also their excuse to assume even more power. Madness is upon us.

    The series has been a treasure. Your prose are a delight, even if topic isn’t. Another cruel irony.

  15. @Rise Up: I used to be a Radio dj and found “Other peoples rooms” in the production music bin. It followed me home and has become a favorite of mine too. Glad to hear you enjoy it too!

  16. Brilliant, terrifying…unadulterated truth. Can’t wait for the rest.

    I hate nitpicks like this, but in this case I feel it a service: the word is milquetoast.

  17. @admin really enjoy your 4th turning series . I wish I could write as well as you and HSF , and several others here can .

    I ponder, what happens in this age of post scarcity , when scarcity returns .

    I see the zombies everyday , living their lives thru a 3inch video screen on a cell phone .

    @ BB correct again sir .

    @starfcker War on our soil has already started , Way too many coincidental attacks on
    infrastructure, like power plants ,internet etc. Cyber attacks of many types . If you read
    the history of Pre conflict , these are the precursers to actual combat. Attacking infrastructure

    @Mahtomedi created crisis indeed .

    @ Maggie no , you do NOT have enough TP or other essentials lol . Look at Venezuala, I think , and the current issues they are having . Maybe it is Brazil ?

    Just the meandering thoughts I have. Peace and good fortune to all here , even Billah’s wife who spells even worse than I do lol ))))))))))) whatever

  18. Very well done as usual, Admin. You have a great way of getting right to the point of issues.

    The upcoming conflict on our soil will be the biggie. The world war will be horrendous as long as it lasts, but given that it doesn’t escalate into a full scale nuclear exchange (which I doubt), the battle here at home will be the seminal moment of all of our lives.

    The millennial’s will be gob-smacked by what’s about to happen, as you said, and so will many good people who didn’t see it coming or ignored the warning signs. Some of them will be mind-blown by the enormity of it all and be as good as useless. Some may turn out to be not as ‘good’ as you thought. But the really good people can be helped to save themselves (and help you as well) if you can present them with knowledge, organization and skills. It would behoove us to gather as much knowledge as we can, in the form of books and info from the Internet, printed-out of course, or at least kept on a thumb drive. Info such as Admin’s Fourth Turning articles, for instance, to explain ‘how we got here’.

    You can buy books (though admins link to Amazon of course) such as ‘Where there’s no Doctor’, ‘Where’s there no dentist’, first aid books, articles from the ‘net showing how to prepare a latrine, purify water, treat combat wounds, dispose of the dead,and so forth. Print them out.

    Then there are the websites that may help you better understand the basics of personal and small unit combat. I’m no Rambo and never will be, but I don’t think that having the knowledge of how men fight will do anybody any harm.

    Here’s a few websites. Keep in mind that these people are serious. They have been readying themselves through training and organization for years. Some are ex-military, in fact most of them are. Don’t let that make you think that you will never do all the say so why even try. Hell, I can’t do anywheres near what they suggest, but it’s info worth knowing. *Commentary, Tactics, links to many useful sites *Commentary and Tactics *Communications and tactics *A real nurse giving instructions on many topics *Grid down medical advice

  19. Lysander, maggie, I’m genuinely curious, who is going to be fighting who here in america? I suppose it could happen, but the who and how eludes me. America is a big fucking place

  20. @ Lysander great sites those are .

    Wasn’t asked , but thru class division , damn near everyone against everyone else .This is @starfcker Classic divide and conquer from TPTB . Read you strfcking history ! lol

  21. Okay, I only watched the strange rant of that big woman in the split skirt and t-shirt who asked for a flash drive then put the laptop on top of the tub and used it as a podium.

    That was rather disturbing in and of itself,but there was no debate going on… just a bizarre rant.

    My son, when he was in debate, wore a suit and had index cards with topical points to cue his arguments in favor or against a topic. (until they actually began the debate, the teams didn’t know which “side” they were on. So they knedw the topic, NOT whether they were for or against.)

    This seemed nothing like that. Of course, we are white, so what do I know.

  22. The war that my FF prepper pals train for is one that will be fought by guerilla warfare here on our soil. The first is against the FSA that is being trained and sustained by a bureacracy that is as inept at training dissidents as it is everything else it does with our tax dollars. The FSA, according to my FF defense training team, will band together in hordes that will fan out from the urban areas to find sustenance. They will loot, pillage and destroy everywhere there is limited resistance. They will be armed, but not professional. A few rounds from a few guards on perimeter watch should send them elsewhere. If they do get onto your property and surprise you, they will be ruthless and cruel unless you give them what they want. We have a special PVC buried with cash, junk silver and medicines to dig up for the unexpected FSA invasion and hopefully provide enough narcotic and real and fiat money to persuade them they have gotten all we have.

    The Horde isn’t going to last long… they will die off from poor health and inner fighting, as well as drug withdrawals and side effects from addictions, according to my FF buds and the literature we read as a group.

    The invading foreign army will be the real test for us. By the time people realize that the loss of power from the EMP or surprise attack on the grid is not just a glitch, the U.S. military will be in chaos, with poorly trained leaders unsure of how to instruct their poorly trained troops without constant input from Pentagon puppetmasters. Soldiers will not only fire on local citizens that try to get onto bases for safety, they will start looting local neighborhoods to supplant their own supplies. Some of you out there do not believe us former military types about just how bad we view current service members on the whole. It isn’t ALL of them, but it is enough to make them worthless in most cases.

    Russia and the Chinese will be allies, we believe and they will be ruthless. Those of us living in the central part of the country who hope to create something after the TEOTWAWKI hope to form a network with our ham/murs radios something along the lines of Samuel Adams’s committees of correspondence to assess the willingness of survivors to join the last great fight for liberty.

    Now, having tossed that out there for ridicule by the trolls here, I will add one thing. We aren’t looking for volunteers. We are where we want to be and that is that.

  23. Excellent work.

    For those wondering how it is going to be when it all comes apart, I would take a look at the book One Second After. The author, I think, captures what it will be like in a worse case scenario as normal social rules and laws breakdown. I will not offer a spoiler about what triggers things, it is not important what causes the breakdown. It is how the breakdown unfolds and how people/communities react.

    I live in the area the author writes about and the author is correct in his knowledge of the people here and how they react to catastrophes.

    I will add the Foxfire books have a wealth of knowledge about how people did things and lived before electricity…

  24. Tator, our FF group read and discussed One Second After as well as the Rawles book that was based on a slightly different scenario. You are right in it being a good assessment.

  25. It isn’t too late to form a group with your like minded friends and neighbors and take advantage of group buys on books and various gear.

  26. Maggie, I figured as much. Your comment above mine was not up when I started typing my post. After I hit Submit, I saw your comment and figure you had read the book as I think many other here have.

  27. admin- the imagery provoked in the mind by your gut wrenching psychoanalytical dismemberment of modern American society and the geo-politcal turbulence to come is disturbingly brilliant … I worry about you sometimes starring so long into the abyss in order to bring into focus such dark imagery, but at the same time thankful for all that you do….just be careful, as Nietzsche warned , not to stare to long.

    And you’re right.all who care to see know where this is headed.


  28. Can anyone deny that American sovereignty is being sold out at an alarming rate by the two parties of globalist curs?

    John Derbyshire: “That’s Not Who We Are”—Sez Who?

    Ryan was speaking to Sean Hannity on November 19th. Hannity asked him whether it’s smart to permit settlement in the U.S.A. of great numbers of people from a culture as different and hostile as Islam. How do we know if they want to assimilate? Hannity asked. How do we know who’ll turn terrorist?

    That gave crapweasel Ryan his opening. “Well, first of all, I don’t think a religious test is appropriate,” he honked. Then he added—wait for it: “That’s not who we are. We believe in the First Amendment of religious freedom.” End honk.

    The Parable of the Good Cuckservatan
    A man was going down from Jerusalem to Damascus, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead.

    A Democrat happened to be going down the same road, and when she saw the man, she passed by on the other side, telling herself that it was the federal government’s job to do something about it. She felt really bad about it, though, and she tweeted a photo of the man she’d taken along with a sad face emoji and the hashtag #justawful.

    So too, a Republican, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side, figuring that this was just the sort of thing for which he paid his taxes. They were too high anyway, but he felt good that in at least this one case, they would be paying for something worthwhile. The sight of the man reminded him that he’d been intending to sell his shares in Adeptus Health, so he logged into E-Trade and made a 12 percent profit.

    But a Cuckservatan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on the robbers who had fallen so low as to be reduced to making a living by robbery. He went to the robbers and invited them to move into an empty house in his neighborhood, then took up a collection demanding money from his neighbors so that the robbers could bring their wives, and children, and parents, and cousins to join them and live in their nice suburban neighborhood.

    When his neighbors complained that their homes were being burgled, their lawns were being trashed, their daughters were being raped, their sons were being beaten, and their taxes were being raised without their consent, the Cuckservatan told them that they were racists, and shrieking, bigoted cowards, and they could just leave the neighborhood if they didn’t like it.

    Which of these three do you think will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes?

    What happened to the man? Nobody knows. Nobody cares. What is the point in actually helping those in need when there is virtue to be signaled at the expense of your neighbors?

  29. If the 4th Turning will lead to the destruction of CuNNt, Fux, and the rest of the MSM …. and the public execution of the male and female whorefuks who lie lie lie to us on a daily basis … then it just might be worth it.

    Not kidding about the public execution part …. I would pay up to $99,95 to see Wolfdick and Megcunt double-tapped on live TV.

  30. A serious question regarding the 4th Turning ….

    … do the 1%ers survive??

    It seems to me they will; gated mansions, private security forces, a near invincible way to hide money, or obtain it, or profit from whatever happens one way or another. So when the 4th Turning is over, and if the 1%ers survived, wtf did it accomplish?

    1. Stuck

      There is no defined outcome to a Fourth Turning.

      It’s a 20 to 25 year period of crisis that could end in tragedy or glory.

      I’m curious as to why someone as smart and inquisitive as you wouldn’t read the three hundred page book to understand the concept.

  31. Admin – Just so much is Spot On. Once again, with hats off and a deep bow, Kudos! I am much looking forward to the last 2 parts and am not in the least surprised that they will be darker. What I see coming is very dark.

  32. “I’m curious as to why someone as smart and inquisitive as you wouldn’t read the three hundred page book to understand the concept.” ———— Admin

    Too many predictions in the book.

    At one time in my life I absolutely IMMERSED myself in predictive books. OK, it was about religion — The End Times. Read everything I could get my hands on. I’m not talking about Hal Lindsey’s Late Great Planet Earth bullshit … I’m talking about scholarly works. I studied that stuff from every conceivable angle; premillenial, postmillenial, amillennial, and dispensational premillennialism.

    Unfortunately (for me) I wound up buying into dispensational premillennialism. The bottom line of that belief system? Jesus Christ would return to earth somewhere around the year 2000. I had thousands of proofs!!!! Obviously that turned out to be one big pile of horseshit.

    Not to mention that scientists making predictions is also hardly better than 50-50. And economists making predictions is barely above Haitian Voodoo Dudes tossing chicken bones.

    Right or wrong that’s how I came to dislike spending too much time reading about predictions. That’s NOT to say that I don’t read your 4th Turning articles. I do! And, I enjoy them. But reading a 300+ page book? Can’t do it, due to aforementioned reasons.

    1. Stuck

      There are no predictions in the book. Your misconceptions would be cleared up if you read the fucking book. It would take you one or two days to read it.

      I’m baffled by your unwillingness to understand this theory.

  33. HIJACK ALERT!!!! Skip this post entirely … it has nothing to do with the article.

    To all you curs and assholes who criticized one of my best articles ever …. about horses.

    On Drudge today: —– “More Swiss people are having sex with horses, according to a sickening new report. There were 105 cases of the maltreatment of horses in Switzerland in 2014 — 10 percent of which involved people having sex with them, according to Tier im Recht, an animal welfare group.”

    Take that, bitchezz!!!!

    You may now resume to your regularly scheduled programming.

  34. This may be an unwelcome thought, but those who know Jesus will be safe whatever happens. It won’t matter who survives or who wins, because in the end, the world will see the Lord returning and putting a stop to all the evil. The Lord God is just about ready to put His foot down and then, brother, you want to make sure you know Him and personally! Anyone who rejects Him, the Bible and His son Jesus, has a LOT of explaining to do when they stand before Him and account for their life. Jesus told us ahead of time not to be deceived by all that will be happening just before He returns. There will be utter chaos and violence. At some point, even a phony “messiah” will show up and claim to have all the answers and fix all that’s broken. This Anti-Christ will be pure evil and will lead many astray from the Truth. In fact, the majority will follow this man. Jesus said the road is NARROW and few find it. Believe this: God sees us all as equally sinful and unless you repent of your sins and believe that Jesus came to be the propitiation for all sin, then you will not only perish from the earth, but spend an eternity in Hell.

  35. I often ponder what civil unrest would look like. I live in suburban Northern Virginia and it’s probably not very safe for survival. Community assistance would be essential. Guns for self defense are fine but most homes around here are aluminum or vinyl siding and a .223 or .308 can penetrate right through the walls, albeit with probably minimal velocity once through but still enough to cause injury. Roving gangs would probably firebomb houses if they could not gain entry–night raids would be particularly difficult to defend if you did not have night vision instruments. It all gets very depressing to consider, but you gotta have some sort of plan or at least have an understanding of what might come at you.

    Bullet penetration testing website here if you are interested, plus there are many YouTube videos of bullet penetration tests.

    A TBP’er (Sensetti? dc.sunsets? flash?) recommended “A Failure of Civility”, written by combat veterans, on how to defend (and attack) in urban/suburban environments. I bought the book but have not read it all.

    There is a sequel out to “One Second After”–it’s titled “One Year After”

    “Lights Out” by David Crawford is a good novel of community survival, although Crawford admits it was a bit slanted in that the main characters had a lot going for them at the onset of the EMP (fuel stores, ammo, etc.). Crawford is planning a second book that will be more realistic.

    James Wesley Rawles “How to Survive TEOTWAWKI”. Basic defensive strategies. And his Patriot series novels are great–he really knows his stuff. was his website, although I think he handed off the day-to-day operation of it to others.

    “Out of the Ashes”–a good read but not too believable–the hero/main character seems to get pussy everywhere he goes. The story line is intriguing–a military coup gone awry.

    “The Road” – Cormac McCarthy. The movie is good as well.

    Just some of the ones I’ve read. These are not just for entertainment–they put you in the mindset that you may need soon.

    Get a gun you can handle comfortably. Get training. Go to the range often. Dry-fire at home frequently. If you can’t afford the training or range time, maybe you have a friend that can go through the basics with you.

    Lastly, know the laws (if they are still in effect) about using a gun in your local jurisdiction. Where I live, simply discharging a firearm, unless in self-defense, is against the law.


  36. Well Admin you have raised my blood pressure again. I try hard to push back against the chronic anger I feel about the current culture, but it is becoming more difficult every day.

    The Americans that make up the Getting Screwed Class have tremendous power that is not bring used. A little work now, nonviolent resistence type work, could save some bloodshed later. Here are some examples:

    Cast no votes for anyone labeled Democrat or Republican.
    Transfer accounts from the big banks to community banks or credit unions.
    Remove the influence of depraved entertainment and fascist journalistic entities from homes by unsubscribing from TV services.
    Use cash as much as possible for all day-to-day transactions.
    Boycott companies that advertise on any news show from the alphabet networks; flood them with letters explaining why.
    Become pests at all county supervisors and city council and school board meetings.

    We are aching for leaders that will encouage and publicize these types of small but potent actions. We just have to begin to refuse to support this insanity anymore. The question is, what percentage of the enraged are willing to invest the time and resources that the social warriors do?

  37. Spot on Dare ,couldn’t said it better myself.I often wonder how or why intelligence people could believe lies like evolution which is the foundation lie of all the other ( isms and ideologies ).Only thing
    That makes sense is ….because they did not receive the love of the truth , that they might be saved. And for this reason God will sent them strong delusion , that they should believe THE lie.2 Thessalonians 2:10-11.

    Notice not a lie but The lie as judgment.

  38. @Dare… not unwelcome to many. Unnecessary for many. Some who prepare do so at His bidding and instruction. That rapture crap is deception in the worst order.

  39. Maggie and others – Firearms are pretty common in this area and the largest city is not large. The state is “led” by soft almost brain-dead liberals, but I think marauders would be met rather quickly by a “hard response” from those who have never bought the Lib crap, the near-majority, especially east of the mountains, which is farm country. As for the larger US inner cities, they will burn. In Russia, the die-off was relatively peaceful during their collapse in the 90s, but government “law and order” was replaced by local area warlords, crime syndicates. Dmitry Orlov has written convincingly about it. And I think 300+ million guns in private hands will probably dissuade foreign invaders, at least initially and then they would be in for a fight, but there may well be drug gang intrusions from the south.

    For myself and mine, this old guy owns guns and can shoot, doesn’t want to but will and not inclined to appease marauders. Growing older gracefully might be boring.

    All this said, opinions differ and your mileage may vary … and we will see.

  40. Admin- Good article and spot on, glad you also point out that at the end of the road emerges the possibility for glory.

    I have posted many, many times that if you want a great lesson in fourth turnings, watch the movie “Gone With The Wind”. Everything is there that you should know and how to protect yourself against the pitfalls.

    Will you be able to hold on to Tara when they jack up the property tax and there is no money because the money supply has been obliterated? Got Gold?

    Does it really pay to lay in food and TP supplies when the nasty Yankees will just come in and steal ALL the food and supplies and then burn your property? Better know some survival skills or yet again gold will buy you what you need on the black market. There are always profiteers in war zones…..but would you pay $20.00 for a roll of TP?

    Scarlett saw the coming boom market in cotton and lumber at the beginning of reconstruction, will you see the opportunities that will abound? Yet again, real money could put you in the catbird seat and take you from rags to riches.

    In Scarlett’s day the North had manufacturing and the South only had kneegrows and cotton, THIS TIME is reversed. The North is a rotting corpse of rusted out manufacturing with liberal SJW mentality and a large hostile FSA of kneegrows. Bend over and KYAG !

    Admin once posted that the currency did not collapse during the CW, I sat here thinking (spoken like a true Yankee). Front running the pitfalls will keep you from being fodder if the good Lord is willing and you understand that your money will turn to shit along with your fellow man.

  41. @Stucky, as admin said, The Fourth Turning is NOT predictions. Rather they are well-researched societal correlations based on historic cycles that probably will affect you and yours.

    You might learn something–although perhaps not as fascinating to you as the Swiss equestrian bestiality. (Just pulling your chain…so don’t pop a rivet!)

  42. I have pondered the situation long and hard and I have come to hold the opinion that we will have CWII first, followed by occupation of foreign armies.

  43. @Bea, I agree and think that is what I meant by the FSA/Horde scenario followed by the Russia/China invasion. Although, I agree that there will be a different invasion from the south, perhaps.

    Of course the Moors are being brought in first class and settled into HUD homes to prepare for the invasion from within..

  44. Seattle Tries To Ban Single-Family Homes.

    “We can still be a city for everyone, but only if we give up our outdated ideal of every family living in their own home on a 5,000 square foot lot,” a letter from the co-chairs of the Housing Affordability and Livability Agenda, or HALA, stated. It was tasked with finding solutions to the city’s housing problems.

    The same letter asserted that “Seattle (single-family) zoning has roots in RACIAL and class exclusion and remains among the largest obstacles to realizing the city’s goals for equity and affordability.

    The draft letter, passed by HALA along a vote of 19-3, was obtained by The Seattle Times.

    “In fact, (the committee) recommends we abandon the term ‘single family zone,’” the letter read.

  45. Drivers in one Canadian city will soon be getting a dose of climate reality when they go to the gas station.

    The city of North Vancouver, British Columbia passed a law this week that mandates climate change warning stickers be applied to gas pumps in the city. The vote makes the city the first in the world to implement such a law. The City Council still has to approve designs for the stickers, but a city staff report recommended including messages such as “Get $5,000 toward a purchase of a new electric car” or “Idling your vehicle for more than 10 seconds wastes more gas than restarting your engine” on the stickers.

    “The message is that burning fossil fuels causes climate change and … to add a positive spin, here are some tips when using your automobile on how to make it more fuel efficient,” North Vancouver Mayor Darrell Mussatto told the CBC.

  46. Admin- Thank you, and, while I do not presume to speak for her, Liberty thanks you as well. Line after line of hard hitting WAKE UP speech is sure to rouse those who have slumbered late into the season. Winter is coming, the first flicks of frost linger late in the morning already.
    My appreciation, while great and sincere, is not without foreboding realization. Mordor has been prepping longer, long before many even realized Sauron had captured the tower. The lines have been drawn, it seems there are very few left in the middle. Many of Sauron’s acolytes will view your articles with derision; a racist, backwards,homophobic, alarmist, xenophobic, antiquated, misogynistic, linguistic philosophy that will prevent progress and security. There are vast numbers of these Orc’s, they are lost.
    That said, I see more sleepers on the other side waking, searching for someone to illuminate the score in a way many of us simply cannot, and in that space you excel. Thanks again, keep them coming!!!

  47. My opinion as to China and Russia differs somewhat. One possibility, they will not invade, China will simply buy the country piece-by-piece. With Real Money, after the Dollar dies. They are buying it now, actually. No need to invade, which would be resisted and very destructive. And Yes, this is “off the wall” to many, I know. As I say, we will eventually see …


    Hubby and I like to watch old documentary films. One we watched this week with our son was this one… a “what if” film that poses some interesting questions.

    One of the things I find interesting is how much thought was given to how the German troops would treat the Brits IF they were able to invade and take over territory in GB. How the order was that the troops were to treat the citizens with courtesy and purchase goods rather than seize them…

    In other words, it was as if they knew that the British wouldn’t mind being taken over as long as they continued with their own lives without pause.

    It would be the same here, in fact, it HAS been the same. People are oblivious to the fact that their homeland has been sold out from under them.

    Of course, the nicey nice behavior of the Germans was NOT going to last forever. And neither will that of our occupiers.

  49. Mr. Quinn,

    I very much enjoyed your analysis and I am looking forward
    to parts 5 and 6. There is no such thing as too much knowledge
    and preparation.

    IMO, there is a culling planned. Or otherwise stated, the PTB won’t
    hesitate to cut service and goods to select cities. I don’t think we have
    to wait for Russians to hammer us. Traitors of the people will do it.

    Water. The most crucial prep. In the north? wood heat is just as important.
    May God save those who plan to “bug out” in the woods. Well, everyone here
    knows about having emergency back-ups. A tent in the woods isn’t a back-up.

    The PC stuff? Basically all BS. Pity the people that buy in/we can’t save everyone.

    Praise to Maggie re: TP. Anyone noticing roll shrink? Also praise for tradition
    of target practice. Know how your tools work people B4 you may be forced to
    use them.

    Seattle area: $300. fine for smoking a cigarette in the parks. Pot may be okay.

    Thanks for your ideas everyone. I will use them.

  50. @suzanna Finally, someone who appreciates the value of a quality roll of TP. You will find yourself entitled to a four pack of the good stuff should you I ever find you at my door in need. the code word will be “the burning platform doesn’t flush.”


  51. @Stucky…”Unfortunately (for me) I wound up buying into dispensational premillennialism. The bottom line of that belief system? Jesus Christ would return to earth somewhere around the year 2000. I had thousands of proofs!!!! Obviously that turned out to be one big pile of horseshit. ”

    I have an aunt who believes that because Christ’s ministry really began when he was 30, the REAL 2000 year point is 2030. Maybe you were just 30 years EARLY.

  52. Maggie,

    If I ever visit, I’ll bring my own TP, and some for you.
    My hoard is taking up too much space in the basement.
    There are plans to fill the travel trailer.

  53. Gee, that didn’t take long.

    Putin retaliates against Turkey with massive sanctions ………… including a ban on Turkish workers (with estimates that 90,000 will be fired by Jan 1 2016). Poof! 90k workers … Do svidaniya, motherfukers!

    Maybe Onigger should take notes on how to get rid of illegals.

    And so the escalations continue. What if Turkey shuts down the Bosphorus strait and locks in the Russian Black Sea fleet? That would be a pretty fuckin’ huge act of war that Putin could not possibly ignore. Fun times!!

  54. Haha… My husband was a bit perturbed when we moved here and I insisted the TP was all coming. Once he realized that it did make good cushioning in the UHAUL truck, he relented a bit. It does take up a lot of room in the basement, BUT, here’s a tip… if you have a FoodSaver, you can vacpak the tp down to about a quarter of its size.

  55. Maggie , I guess you’re just going to let me die .There will be a lot of hordes like you but then there will be a lot of people with high power rifles bringing balance back to God’s creation.

  56. Best sentence in another outstanding article ………..

    “The social justice warriors, prodded by the liberal media and agenda driven ideologues, are offended by free speech, white people, men, married couples, religious freedom, having to repay loans, gun owners, capitalism, carbon dioxide, meat, yoga and anyone who dares to disagree with their antagonistic, bombastic, vacuous nonsense.”

    About which, two observations:

    1) There is no established, widely accepted definition of social justice. The science is not yet settled. Here’s your chance to make up some sort of shit. And the social justice warriors do exactly that.

    2) I forgot what the second one was. Heh.

  57. bb says:

    Maggie , I guess you’re just going to let me die .There will be a lot of hordes like you

    Did you just call Maggie a horde? See why she doesn’t like us? Because we insult her for hoarding toilet paper.

  58. bb, with the coming cultural avalanche, you won’t need TP, just use your left hand.
    Mind the music and the step and with the girls be handy.

  59. Suzanna, it is time to stop feeding the trolls. E.C. and I have a truce of sorts, but still, don’t feed him. Or give him TP.

  60. This body of water (Bosporus, Sea of Marmara, Dardanelles – all Turkish sovereign waters) serves as a primary highway for the transport of energy, mostly Russian oil tankers, to Europe from Russia and western Asia.

    “What if Turkey shuts down the Bosphorus strait and locks in the Russian Black Sea fleet? That would be a pretty fuckin’ huge act of war that Putin could not possibly ignore.”

    You’re correct, Stuckmeister. And what if Russia reacts by shutting down oil and natural gas deliveries to Europe. In the dead of winter. I’ve never liked Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan. He’s a Muslim fundamentalist and has recently thrown cold water on freedom of the press in Turkey. And he’s way out of his league in fucking with Putin. The Turkish Army has overthrown idiots like him in the past, and if Erdogan pulls the stunt you described, it will do it again.

  61. 100% agree with SSS about Turkey and Erdogan. Putin has a missile with his name on it pointed at him from Armenia as we watch this unfold.

  62. Stucky- I guess a guy could get really lonely after being secluded in a alpine cabin with only your trusty horse and a few goats. That old nag could start to look like Doris Day after a while.

  63. Great work admin. I’ve run out of adjectives to describe your articles over the years. So there it is. Great work admin.

    I had not seen that laughing hyena Paulson bit. I am disgusted. Is that for real? Bb, Paulson is not a Jew. And he does not look jewish. He is a shabbos goy, the front man for the Jews. True enough he is flanked by two Jews, rubin and sandberg, both odious creatures, whether Jew or no. Over at the occidental observer, it is claimed that sandberg was given preferential treatment in getting into Harvard, beating out dozens of more deserving white people. Not surprising. Then she was hired by fellow tribesman zuckerberg. Now she is a gazillionaire, through sheer jewish networking. If you want I can give a few links tomorrow concerning this woman.

    It really is no different than when I was in grad school. In my class there was a rather busty jewish girl who could not for the life of her pass the required symbolic logic class requirement. I think she tried three times. It was, for all intents and purposes, an extremely difficult, high level math course. I myself managed a B. Instead of giving her the boot, the program abolished the requirement. She is now ensconced in a womyn’s studies department poisoning countless young minds. Is that jewish privilege?

    But the real reason why I wanted to post, and this will bring yawns from a certain group of TBPers, is because I noticed where Paulson, et al. were speaking, at the Milken institute. Remember that scumbag? Mike milken, a Jew, was the junk bond king of the 1980’s. He was sentenced to 10 years in prison and fined $600 million for assorted financial malfeasance in 1989. When the sentence was handed down, he screamed wildly like a stuck pig. The Jewish lobby and media machine went into action and the sentence was later reduced to two years. Two years. Let that sink in.

    If he had been executed, you can be sure a lot of the Wall Street criminal activity would have stopped in subsequent decades. Jews like the vampire Carl Icahn might have dialed it back a bit. Jews like Jordan bellfort, the wolf of Wall Street, and his cousins and buddies from Hebrew school, might not have swindled $100 million from clueless goyim. (Isn’t it telling that the movie features the goyim dicaprio as bellfort? In reality, bellfort is one of the greasiest, jewiest Jews I have ever seen. In his book, he boasts of fucking a bunch of shiksas. He routinely makes fun of WASPS also.) He too only spent a little under two years in or prison. See, any more so, and it would have been anti-Semitic, you know because of the Holocau$t ™ and his 98 relatives who were gaschambered. Can’t have that in the jewnited states, can we?

    Perhaps we would not have seen a Bernie madoff, who you might think was given the longest prison sentence in history of 150 years. But he wasn’t. There was someone before him. Was it Stanley goldblum in the 1960’s and 1970’s who served a long prison sentence for the “biggest Wall Street swindle in the 200 year history of the USA”? No. Was it crazy Eddie? Remember that guy? He fled to Israel when indicted. Nope.

    It was a Jew named Sholam Weiss. In 2000, he was sentenced to 845 years in prison for looting an insurance company. 78 counts of fraud and money laundering, etc. Gee, I wonder when Hollywood will make a movie about it. Surely 60 minutes will do a special on jewish criminality, with hidden microphones and spliced footage like they do with all the other segments. Right? Right?

  64. While we await the stomach’s fourth turning, let the winter of our discontent be assuaged somewhat by the vintner of our content.

    Cue “Crowning Lessons” by My Chemical Romance.

    Although, 1 Corinthians 15 suggesteth not, if thou doth believeth . . .

  65. @Maggie, if you like alternate history try Amazon video’s “The Man in the High Castle”. It’s a new series available on Internet via Amazon Prime. Here’s the trailer (Episode 0–Episode 1 is free with a login at Amazon–no Prime needed for Episode 1.

  66. With the Introduction of Russian S-400’s in Syria, it is only a matter of time before a Western Jet shadows a Russian Bomber and it taken out, If it’s Turkish, I think it gets brushed off, but with a lot of NATO Whining. If it’s another nation’s jet, things may go hot. One thing we know for sure, we just don’t know the timing….. The economy is going to crash, the only way for TPTB to take the average citizen’s attention away is to start a war. I am still not convinced that it could start with an event in the Ukraine rather then Syria. The Ukraine has been quietly heating up with electricity & water cut to Crimea and Russia cutting off gas (no media attention at all). The CIA has been quietly training troops for an all assault on the rebels, whether they wait till after winter is the question. There is no doubt there are multiple hot spots for war to start, its all a matter of timing for it to coincide with an economic event in the west. The one given is Obutthead isn’t calling the shots, I have no doubt the Deep State passes the orders on to Valerie Jarret who in turn sets them in motion! I look forward to the next parts!

  67. Oh mah gawd Maggie I wish you’d shove one uh them rolls uh turd wipers down yer yapper so all the rest of us could have a convo here. Yer at 22 posts and I’m sure that each of them have driven away at least 1000 readers who are embarrassed at the magnitude of yer mongoloidish behaviour. I beg of you, on behalf of thinking men and women the wide world over, go back ter knitting yer goober son’s wollen undies er something, anything other than another pointless and supremely annoying comment about yer self.

  68. With Maggie’s, ahem, dirty mind it’s easy to see why she got offended when I said she came in the ‘back door’. That is not what I meant, Maggie. I feel so dirty now.

  69. El Cabrone

    Yer trying ter git me to engage you but that ain’t happenin. Yer uh gawd dammed troll, and yer about ter crap yer beaner rags over the prospect of being #100. You need ter git uh life. And please stop encouraging yer mole troll friend Maggie, the autistic showboat. Good gawd her mother must uh made her main line mercury as uh child.

  70. @ Maggie and Suzanne…TP is one of my obsessions in prepping. I have a ton of that and soap, just regular hand soap. My inspiration was researching how people wiped themselves in olden times and the results weren’t pretty. Sears catalogs, certain kinds of plants that were grown to use as wipe and friggen corn cobs. No way Jose, I’m not doing that when TP is so cheap. The Roman’s used a sponge fastened to a stick and held in a bucket of vinegar. That doesn’t sound TOO bad, but everyone has to have their very own sponge, of course. Otherwise it’s………gross.

    I got into hoarding soap after I bought a book on how to make it. What a waste of money that book as, but naturally I still have it. I only got as far as the part where they talked about how to handle the lye ingredient . You needed a protective suit with googles and mask….I said fuck that shit. I have totes full of soap. 🙂

    Here’s a tip for you guys about water purification with chlorine. The standard advice is to buy unscented liquid bleach, but it has a shelf life of about 6 months. Anymore then that and it won’t be as effective and you’ll have to use more of it.

    Instead, go to a swimming pool supply store and ask the clerk for well water chlorine. It’ll come in a bucket and be either in powder form or tabs, like pool shock. NEVER use regular pool shock to purify water, because there’s other chemicals in it that aren’t good for you. Get the well water chlorine and follow the instruction on the bucket or go on line to see how much you’ll need. Make a solution in a glass jar to the desired potency and use that to add to your water jugs, barrels or buckets. In it’s powdered or tab, dry form it lasts pretty much forever.

    Here’s a link for treating and storing water, although I’m positive you have got that covered already:

    just scroll down to the measurement chart.

    I’m happy to hear, Maggie, that you have it together with a group. That’s more than half the battle solved right there. I will have to recruit as I feel necessary after the SHTF. Buncha pansies around here that won’t commit and I’m not talking survival stuff to any new people, and I haven’t for years. Opsec is critical. There are many I wish I never approached, but oh well….that’s the way it goes!

  71. I pity you, BW, your not getting much traction here. I suspect you had a childhood of molestation, does that song remind you of girl, interrupted? Thought so. You make light of so many traumatic events in your life. I guess that, otherwise, you would have blown your brains out already.

  72. Class, we have a new student and before we meet her I’d like to say a few words of advice: don’t say nothing about her hunchback and club foot, she hasn’t got any parents so she lives with a family of A-rabs up in hooter-holler. This will be her first year of formal schooling so, like Obama, she will be starting school in 8th grade. Like I said, she is a little slow and tends to miss a few numbers when counting from 0 to 100. We forgive her right, class? Oh-Kay so let’s meet our newest member of the class of 2001, Raydeanthelmalou Frikkenwald!

  73. In among some relevant and useful information there appears some major ideological claptrap associated with brainwashing of capitalism and patriotism as the only sound values for a social system as propagated down the generations by the servants of the power elites. I caught to many whiffs of this to bother finishing reading this most likely libertarian right wing complaint about fantasy free markets and invisible hands. I’m just glad I started here and not had bothered with this whole series.

  74. Fabulous article Admin. Never truer words written. The privileged younger set are not going to know what hit them. I get a little tired of the “what would you know looks and glances”. Come what may.

    I was just thinking…..what a great site.Everyone pleasant to one another without the scathing remarks you can find on other sites and then it starts…..shame.
    We all don’t have long left so be nice to one another as we all seem to be on the same side here.

    And yep…I have rooms full of TP, along with all the hand operated equipment, canned food… name it, I’ve got it for what is coming down the road.

  75. The entire US culture and economy is unsustainable. The billionaires believe they can rape and pillage forever. They cannot. The middle class believes it can maintain its standards of living, despite enormous personal debt, falling educational standards, a sub-standard work ethic, and enormous foreign competition.

    The article mentions white men having no real wage increase in years. That ties to the drop in manufacturing employment. Manufacturing was the engine of the middle class. It was doomed to disappear owing to ever increasing technology and cheap foreign labor, and disappear and dwindle it has and will.

    Americans – indeed developed nations world-wide – are living far beyond what can be sustained. Promises have been made and believed that are simply never going to be honored – SS, pensions, healthcare, etc.

    It is going to be ugly, and terrible to behold.

  76. The wisps of smoke started when the Supreme Court decided that the individual no longer had a right to protect their reputation. The Supreme Court gutted state defamation laws requiring the media to tell the truth or face financial ruin. At that time there were 1800 plus independent media outlets. NOW JUST 50 YEARS LATER THERE ARE 6. But that was mere accelerent on the fire that was brewing.

    The popular election of Senators and income taxation were the progenators of our demise. They gutted our republican form of government and allowed the federal government and a new Legal Class to run roughshod over just about everything as has been so aptly described in this article.

    Just a few minor points to make. From someone looking outside at the Democratic party and Obama bin Laden, it would be clear to any objective observer that the Democratic party is engaged in a war to exterminate the black race from America. Everything they have done increases the black on black crimes, lowers the birth rate and makes just about the entire race desperate individuals with only one sense; that of entitlement. The Democrats have set up the black race for a final extermination that will be sure to come in the 4th Turning. Not much will have to be done because when the welfare payments stop they will destroy their own communities and kill each other wholesale. The remnants will be easy to mop up. Hearty thanks to the Democratic Party.

    The only thing that can fix the problems is a Plain Meaning rule for Constitutional Interpretation, state appointment of Senators, legislative approval of all rules and regulations formulated by any agency, balanced budget amendments for the federal government, term limits for all elected officials at the federal level, no one on welfare will be allowed to vote in any election unless and until they reimburse their welfare benefits, a limitation on the powers of the commerce clause so that any law passed under its authority does not permit Congress to bribe any state into submission and only laws that affect 1% or more of the economy are valid, corporations have no rights of free speech in any election and must remain silent for 1 year prior to any election, drugs must be made legal, there must be substantive limits on the combined powers of all governments wherein no more than 35% of anyone’s earnings can be taxed by any means except in wartime, prisoners must work as slaves until they pay the victims of their crimes for the damages they have caused, and finally there will be two types of laws wherein a state and the federal government can each pass up to 100 pages of laws which every citizen is required to know or be presumed to know and any laws passed after that, the citizen must be informed they are breaking a law and given a chance to go fix it and if not then and only them suffer the penalties,

    Seeing how none of this will get done, my suggestion to you is to start preparing yourself secretly with as much food and abilities to protect it and your family or loved ones because a French Revolution or Russian Revolution type event is coming. Once the event passes hopefully we will have another Constitutional Convention and the issues above will present themselves and things will be fixed.

  77. Ricken

    I kin already tell yer gonner fit in just great. There’s uh ton uh faggoty kumbaya TP obsessed dipshits here (El Coyote is their leader) who wheedle out the last of those few remaining days browsing youtube tryin ter find the perfect embedded video retort. Ricken, stick around fer yer beaner dickin, yew and El Coyote were made fer each other.

  78. flash

    That “cabin” pic … well, +1,000,000. Liked it so much that it is now the background pic on my computer.

    We had the home inspection on Friday. The inspector, AND the buyer, AND the buyer’s father who is in construction were here for TWO hours!! Unreal. But, it went fine … no major issues, a few minor ones we agreed to fix. The buyer has a mortgage commitment letter from the bank. Looks like we’ll have to be out of here in 6 weeks.

    Anyway, your picture is a beautiful reminder of what I want … and hopefully, what Ms Freud wants (she’s a city girl at heart and is hesitant to move “to the country”, but she is weakening daily). Thank you, again.

  79. @Lysander, I laughed when I saw your comment about the soap. I miss being close to a military commissary, where the “bulk” aisle sometimes displays those enormous blocks of Ivory soap bars that used to be so cheap. (10 bucks for 24 bars!)

    I hope that you also save the little pieces that aren’t quite big enough to leave in the shower and aren’t quite small enough to throw away. I have taken to storing them in empty laundry detergent tubs. My friend in Oklahoma who turned me onto the laundry tub idea said she plans to add water and let them stand in the heat to “melt” into hand soap when SHTF.

    We actually laugh about our prepper tendencies now. At first, we were frantic, realizing that we were behind the power curve and had so much to learn. Now we laugh. It isn’t that we enjoy the idea of TEOTWAWKI and having to struggle to rebuild something from whatever remains, it is that we are batshit crazy with hope that the frigging FSA, roaches and leeches will be at least partially exterminated.

    Whoever thumbed down LLPOH needs their head examined.

    @gm I assume that Admin keeps BW around for comic relief… like the three stooges.

    @Helena Handbasket… BEST name I’ve seen I think!

    @BRF Immediately when I saw your name, I thought “that makes me feel like throwing up.”

    @Ricken Except for the rare village idiot, the hate filled vitriolic remarks here are constructive criticism. (And EC isn’t as bad as he seems… actually grows on you like mildew after a while.)

    The real troll is BW, whose personality is just slightly more attractive than the image. I printed one of these for target practice and put a bullseye on the nose..


  80. Stucky… Tell Ms. Freud that you and she could come try out the treehouse this winter! Nick and I are getting ready to put the wood stove inside, which should make it a hundred times cozier than it was last year when we relied on space heaters and that sorry wall unit heater that barely kept the 600 square feet above freezing all by itself. But the place is CHARMING in the nth degree, tucked away under the hillside in the woods a quarter mile from our place, beside the creek. I still like the treehouse, even though the log home is almost complete…

    Of course, now I’ve admitted that YOU are welcome at least at the South end of our paradise. LOL


  81. Stuck, FWIW, I would take the advice Thoams Chittum offered up in his demographically dystopian work Civil War II and look at something in Upstate New York as it is still a white majority controlled region and abundant water, with good soil.. or something very similar. Stay away form large populations of FSA’s fer shure.

  82. The Federal government has clearly slipped past stupid into the area of total insanity. Even though hundred of trillions of dollars in debt , with tens of thousands homeless and millions unemployed , the fucktard Feds have created another bureaucracy dedicated to settling refugees ( or better explained as colonizing America with third world chea labor) and demand state comply….WTF next?

    Obama administration tells states they can’t refuse Syrian refugees…so much for the Tenth Amendment . …Feds might as well take a big steaming shit on the rest of the Constitution as well.

    The Obama administration has warned states to comply with federal efforts to resettle Syrian refugees in communities around the U.S. or else find their states subject to enforcement action.

    In a letter this week, the Office of Refugee Resettlement threatens states concerned about resettling Syrians with punitive responses if they refuse to accept the refugees. ORR explains that states may not refuse ORR-funded benefits for refugees on the basis of religion and national origin.

    “Accordingly, states may not categorically deny ORR-funded benefits and services to Syrian refugees,” ORR Director Robert Carey wrote in the letter. “Any state with such a policy would not be in compliance with the State Plan requirements, applicable statutes, and their own assurances, and could be subject to enforcement action, including suspension and termination.” [I’m afraid of overloading you, but beware of termination because the feds and contractors may well make your state a Wilson-Fish state, if it isn’t already. They would like nothing better!—ed]

    The agency also pointed to the Civil Rights Act of 1964, prohibiting discrimination for federally funded assistance benefits. Refugees are immediately eligible for welfare and other benefits upon admission to the U.S.

    “Thus, it is not permissible to deny federally funded benefits such as Medicaid or [Temporary Assistance for Needy Families] to refugees who otherwise meet the eligibilities requirements,” the letter reads. “ORR is committed to ensuring that all refugees receive assistance and services vital to achieving their potential in the United States and becoming self-sufficient, integrated members of our communities.”

    If nothing else comes out of this, we are pleased to say that the American taxpaying public is being educated about the huge costs this program places on our welfare system—nationally and locally! The contractor’s job is to get refugees their welfare benefits and then they move on to the next paying batch of refugee CLIENTS.

    ***Nine major federal contractors which like to call themselves VOLAGs (Voluntary agencies) which is such a joke considering how much federal money they receive:

    Church World Service (CWS)
    Ethiopian Community Development Council (ECDC) (secular)
    Episcopal Migration Ministries (EMM)
    Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society (HIAS)
    International Rescue Committee (IRC) (secular)
    US Committee for Refugees and Immigrants (USCRI) (secular)
    Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Services (LIRS)
    United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB)
    World Relief Corporation (WR)

  83. Admin- You could write a hundred articles with charts and grafts and correlate them to cycles of war and economic downturns etc. but we have no control and no say in how the script is written. If you know a dangerous storm is coming you move to the basement or storm shelter and hope you are spared, that your property will be standing and your town can go on with business as usual after the front passes through.

    There are some who have written that this will all take place over a weekend and by Monday we (Merica) will surrender. That speaks of nuclear devastation in my mind and would not surprise me at all. Short and quick with the currency collapsed quickly because God knows they have a replacement currency ready to roll “the day after”. I can tell you on good account that there are warehouses stacked to the rafters with currency that is red in color and far different from what we are used to using.

    I can believe the scenario where it is all very swift in turning this country as they have already mapped out the areas for destruction (which are usually ghettos) sometimes just areas they want depopulated. You could very well wake up from a weekend and find you live in a communist controlled country…..but you already live in that country (Oreo is as Marxist as they come). It is also my understanding that coastal populations and populations near large bodies of water will not be allowed to remain.

    One thing I can assure you is there will be no damage to the .001% property or lifestyle. Military vehicles by the score were sent to The Hamptons a couple of years ago and are stored for the big event. You can bet that area will be a fortress and not a hair will be harmed on their heads. The Billionaires Club will sip champagne and boast of the profits to be made as they have always worked equally as well in communist countries as in free Republics (if there ever was such a thing as a truly free Republic). They have already put their plans on the drawing board for projects to be started as soon as the sheep accept the new storyline.

    The culling will go on in mass for years to come. It is what it is. Talking about it won’t change it.

  84. @ Bea Lever….”One thing I can assure you is there will be no damage to the .001% property or lifestyle.”

    I agree. I used to say that when this country burns the .1% will be flying out on their privates jets looking out the window at a nation of suckers fighting over a can of tuna fish and they will be laughing their asses off. They have had ample time to set up fortresses somewhere. The rich ones left here to manage the remains after the fighting stops will be guarded by the military, like you said.

    @ Maggie….Great minds think alike! Yes I do save the little scraps of soap.

  85. The recent article by the Washington Times details that the new Captain America is fighting right wing conservatives who are a part of an “evil” militia known as “The Sons of the Serpents.” These right wing conservatives are accusing illegal immigrants of “invading a sovereign land to spread disease and crime, take American jobs, and collect welfare.”ii What’s more, the article further quotes that the story within the comic states, “by invading this sovereign land, you defy the laws of God, nature, and the United States Constitution! Therefore, I hereby apprehend you by the power vested in me by the aforementioned God, nature, et cetera, et cetera.”[2] My concern here is this: if Captain America is fighting the “new enemy” when his original enemy was Hitler and Nazi Germany, this act details that Captain America is now associating God and the U.S. Constitution with Hitler. In contrast, Captain America is not fighting ISIS, he is not fighting Muslim extremists. Keep in mind the many news stories of recent years have reported that Muslim extremists have been known to cross our southern border. Even filmmaker James O’Keefe put on a Bin Laden mask and crossed the border without a hitch. If you ever had a shred of doubt that the U.S. is under attack, maybe this article could provide some perspective and support for your concern. If you are concerned, Captain America is coming for you.

  86. Lysander and Maggie-

    All of this talk of soap reminds me of a article I read a couple of years ago, “Fifty Things You Should Stop Buying And Start Making”. You can find that article in many place around the net.

    Shampoo can be made by grating soap on a grater , add purified water and cook up a soap stew. Adding essential oils to the stew will produce different shampoos to address different hair/scalp types and add different smells. Castile soap is the best for making shampoo and body washes.

  87. Jim

    the problem with the whole fourth turning book is this, it does not apply to the current situation, because there will be a fifth turning to come not a first turning. The fifth turning is one a crises so profound that there is a a total societal and economic collapse, akin to the collapse of the Roman Empire, that is what is coming in this next crises.

    The Strauss–Howe generational theory, after each fourth turning there is a renewal, after the crises of a fourth turning, powered by a hero generation. No generation that they studied would really be capable of dealing with A fifth crises, but it is worse here in the Former USA because the hero generation that we have coming up is the Millennials, Gen Y.

    There is simply no way that this generation of narcissistic, every one gets an award because every one is special, raised by their helicopter parents, will ever get their nose out of their I gadgets long enough to be the heroes of any thing, they will only notice something is wrong when their Game Boys and X Boxes and I Phones/I pads stop working. At which point it will be post SHTF time and then they will crawl out of their parents basement and figure out that they have no real skills or any rational understanding of their skills because they all are winners. They will probably respond by marching around chanting Black Lives matter or some other drivel.

    In addition the world has never seen such a crises as this, the world’s governments have spent and borrowed too much, and set up a fiat financial system that is bound to fail, and when it does the world’s economy will quickly grind to a halt, our economic system is so inter dependent that virtually no area of the country or world, for that matter is self sufficient, as a result the failure of fiat currencies and the subsequent economic reset will have catastrophic consequences.

    Borrowing is nothing more than spending money real money or wealth from labor, crops and manufactured goods, you will have, but do not have. So much has been borrowed by governments that the future that it can not be paid, governments will have to tax their subjects (even here in the former USA) so it all future earnings will go to taxes, the entire economy will go under ground, and the Government will become increasingly desperate to acquire revenue through fees and fines.

    Borrowing by individuals and business will also crash as interest rates skyrocket, and as fiat money dies, no more goods will be shipped because there will be no way to collect on accounts payable in any thing but perhaps worthless paper fiat currency.

    The inter connected world economy will disintegrate into a resource crises, economic migrants will surge into perceived wealthy countries, crushing them, destroying their ability to provide for their own citizens.

    It will be in a word apocalyptic. .

  88. Mahtomedi says: @El You should brush up on your contractions if you’re going to talk so much smack.

    Yew, Yourn, Y’all. This’n, That’n, Th’other.

    I got it down pat. I’m fluent, baby!

  89. Edmond Dantes

    I wish you would shove yer 5th turning prognostication up yer no source material readin anus. Have you read the gawd dammed book? There ain’t no 5th turning – if the cycle don’t start over you descend inter batshit crazy chaos and yer got ter rebuild from the ground up. You better pray ter the gawd uh people with gay British names that we see a transition into turning one, er we’re all toast, though I do agree this cataclysm appears ter be final.

    We already have uh village idiot here. Her name is Maggie, though her fellow Co-dependent internet forum commenters call her Mags – so you might want ter move on.

  90. flash —- We’ll be staying local until my parents die. Obligations … no choice in that regard. We’re about 90% sure we’ll be renting this place —>

    YO! ADMIN!!! Wanna make Avalon real happy? Take her to see Brooklyn! Excellent movie. You’ll like it also … very Irish.

    The Creed movie was OK. Basically the plot is virtually identical to the original Rocky … except the fight scenes are filmed much better. We didn’t pay. Heh! BUT … our seats were in the very first row, AND all the way on the right end. I could hardly see the whole movie screen.

  91. BW, I tried to explain last time that each turning is a quarter cycle. There is no stated value on the vertical and no time on the horizontal. Once we reach a complete cycle, the next four turnings may drop lower or rise higher than the previous cycle. The level does not determine when a turning ends or begins, it’s the characteristics of the times. If we tracked the turnings, we could see a pattern and identify the frequency of occurrence but we can only forecast from the patterns and not predict according to the graph. Edmund is attempting to assign values and timelines to an illustration. He might as well attempt to predict the second coming of Christ.

  92. Yea Billah’s wife first of all personal insults are the sign of an intellectually deficient mind, one which is unlikely to understand complex concepts, I will not really need to respond to you in the same level because that would be pointless, as you yourself have already demonstrated your lack of cognitive skills.

    The book does not have a fifth turning, my point is that the book does not take into consideration a complete collapse scenario, and in that way it is lacking.

    The total catabolic collapse scenario has happened before, the Mayans, Rome, just to name a couple. Complex societies break down when increasing complexity results in negative marginal
    returns. I recommend that you read Gibbons Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, or J. A. Tainter, “The collapse of complex societies”. that is if you can find the comic book versions..
    The fact is that the world economy is overly interdependent, and supply chains are so long, that once that chain breaks, goods (including food and fuel) will stop moving, and services will stop. Fiat money will be worthless. At that point no “transition into turning one”. Sorry but societies do sometimes totally collapse, however if you want to stay blissfully ignorant, and I do mean ignorant, then you are free to do so.

    OBTW Dantes is French, but considering your obvious lack of intellectual capacity, your confusion is expected.

    Timescales of collapse for selected civilizations (all dates from Tainter 1988)
    Onset of collapse
    Time to collapse
    Minoan Crete
    c. 1500 BCE
    c. 300 years
    Mycenean Greece
    c.1200 BCE
    c. 150 years
    Hittite Empire
    c. 120 BCE
    c. 100 years
    Western Chou empire
    934 BCE
    163 years
    Western Roman Empire
    166 CE
    310 years
    Medieval Mesopotamia
    c.650 CE
    c. 550 years
    Lowland Classic Maya
    c.750 CE
    c. 150 years

    1. Edmond Dantes

      Evidently you have not read the book. It does contemplate a complete collapse and nuclear winter. I’ve addressed that in the final part, which will be posted in a few hours. Stay tuned.

  93. Edmund, how do you explain the longevity of the Byzantine Empire? By listing timelines for several civilizations you do not explain anything, maybe they support your 5th turning final solution theory but except for the Roman Empire example, there is no support for your implied 1-4 turnings.

    Where the fuck is Billy?

  94. I gave you the Roman Empire, we don’t know what happened to the Maya, scientists point to climate change, drought.

    OBTW, Did you ever read of Dana Lamb’s discovery of the lost Maya city?

  95. Edmunds,

    BW is a Yankee and very smart in spite of that. For reasons unbeknownst, BW chooses to write like a total moran.

  96. Admin, I almost laughed out loud at this, but then, when I thought about it, I realized that maybe you have stared into the abyss too long after all.

    **Administrator says:


    We saw the final chapter of the Hunger Games last week. [[[[[Very grim. I loved it.]]]]] 🙂

    Stucky, just because you are staying local doesn’t mean you couldn’t venture into flyover country for the last part of deer season. We have a nice herd of doe on the land and there is a very clever 12 point buck that has been breeding them in the early mornings up behind the treehouse. You could add to your horse copulating photos and films!

    @Edmond… anyone who takes the heat off me from the troll is okay in my book.

  97. El Coy:

    After the split of the Roman Empire the western empire produced 1/3 the revenues of the eastern empire, but had more than twice as much northern frontier to defend against barbarian encroachments, this placed most of the original empire’s vulnerabilities in one half and most of its remaining resources in the other, as for the Mayans, the most widely accepted model of the Maya collapse holds on demographic and paleoecological evidence that Maya populations grew to a level that could not be indefinitely supported by agricultural practices on the nutrient-poor soils of the Yucatan lowlands. These collapses were resource crises, something we are also facing. And perhaps in the not too distant future. As Lucius Annaeus Seneca wrote “increases are of sluggish growth, but the way to ruin is rapid.”

    Admin/Jim I did not read the book, I watched several presentations S and H made on the subject none of which addressed total collapse, in fact their lack of mentioning that, is preciously why I did not bother to read the book. Regardless even if things were better than they are I reiterate that there is no way the Millennials, as a group, are up to the task of Hero Generation. Mea Culpa.

    We can disagree about whether there will be a reset or a collapse, however the we have a complex integrated world economy, for example Scientific American had an article a ways back about the five thousand salad, where a salad’s components travel five thousand miles to the dinner plate. Lettuce from Spain, avocados from Mexico, pomegranates from Israel—all arrive for your dining pleasure.
    The more complex a system is the easier it is to unravel, years ago the Massachusetts transit authority bought a bunch of new LRV street cars, to replace the old PCCs. The old PCCs doors opened by a lever system, made up out of four parts, those mechanisms rarely if ever broke, the LRVs cars doors opened by pushing a button, it took over a thousand parts to open the doors as a result they always were out of service, the odds of one of 4 parts breaking were far less than one of a thousand.

  98. Oh, and EC? This was funny. I hope you meant for it to be.

    “I gave you the Roman Empire, we don’t know what happened to the Maya, scientists point to climate change, drought.”

  99. “They aren’t offended by the 70% of black babies born out of wedlock and black men shirking their responsibilities as fathers. ”

    Odd how these writers simply regurgitate the Oprah Winfrey line, the same memes and stereotypes as MSM and bureaucracy, without ever noticing that legitimate (and little-publicized) research paints a different picture.

  100. @Maggie he/she/it is clearly a troll. I just hope it acts out this way because of some sort of mental disorder, and not as a paid NSA/DHS/GCHQ Government troll, because it is so pathetic that if it is a paid Govt troll, then the country has deteriorated further than I had suspected and we are in worse shape than I thought, and that would be really bad.

  101. Stuck, Same here.I stay in this African infested low IQ shithole because of concerns for my mostly, beyond help, ignorant family.As the the captain of the Titanic succumbed, I will most likely go down with he ship…but such is fate..

  102. @ Edmond Dantes Inferno… you haven’t seen anything yet. Hell hath no fury like a mentally unstable BW who just discovered a new commenter on TBP thinks it’s a troll when, in fact, it is a poorly constructed 2nd persona for one of the regulars here.

    This is BW on a good day. 43212031-79ab-4eec-be5b-270c82eb7a54_zpsxasneu6d.jpg

  103. Edmond Dante

    Watching a gawd dammed youtube interview with S and H don’t make you an expert. When yer in a nuclear winter, who cares how fuckin complex the global economy was prior to launch?

    Of course wer’re headed towards a derailing of the 4th T in regards to the American cycle. The issue here is that yer halitosis breathin dipshitted noggin can’t seem ter comprehend that this reality is not contrary ter the observations re: the saeculuum found in the gawd dammed book.

    Plus, Dante was an Italian, and Edmond is the name of many prominent English homosexuals, so say what you want, yer name sounds euro and gay.

  104. How do I know you are not a government troll pushing the old Malthus and Ricardo economic theory of national decline? It couldn’t be bankers, no, it has to be disease, war and famine as you aver.

  105. Edmund, I don’t want to let this opportunity pass since you seem to have all the answers, what happened to the Anasazi? Was it too many people chasing too few goods? What do your paleoecological entrails point to?

  106. EC, you don’t know that I am or am not a government troll, just as I don’t know whether or not you are either, I never said the Bankers were not stealing the nations wealth, they are, the fed is truly the creature from Jeckel Island, however that they are stealing the wealth from the present and future does not mean that there will be a resource based population crash, in fact it increases the possibility that would happen, they are not mutually exclusive concepts.

  107. BW you do realize that your use of profanity and ad hominem insults instead of at least attempting to use clearly articulated logic does not indicate someone with a strong position they believe in but a weak one, that they are unsure of, perhaps you are just argumentative and rude because you are in need of attention, and are desperate for it, and seek to get any response possible. As for your use of profane blasphemy, you appear to have a sad and troubled soul. I will say a prayer for you, you obviously need it.

  108. 5″When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. 6″But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you. 7″And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words.…

  109. I don’t want to break up the welcome wagon EC, but I thought I would place this here to avoid detracting from the fifth 4th Turning article.

    Admin or anyone who has a clue or at least a reasonable idea. (I.e., BW shut your clueless yap.)

    I went to ZH to see what sort of comments the articles were getting there and discovered that Admin has his own troll there in the form of one David Pierre, who apparently lurks not unlike aforementioned Cretin that seems to come out only when certain people are commenting here on TBP, although that could be a coinky dink.

    Anyway, this David Pierre is absolutely hellbent on making sure any comments that are positive about JQ’s article are derailed immediately. It is so obvious that one of the regulars made this comment:
    :Dude. What do you do most days when there ISN’T an article about the “fourth turning” ?
    It must be frustrating to have to scan constantly for a fourth turning article, so you can be the first to post. Do the tylers send you an e-mail telling you when and at what time a fourth turning article is posting?”

    Anyway, by the comments on the second page, he’d quit interjecting his hatred of Admin and the comments ranged from reasonable to idiotic. About like here, except that here, we pretty much all know about the 4th turning.
    EXCEPT STUCK who refuses to read 300 pages.

    Oh, well, just being nosy about this David Pierre, wondering why he seems to hold a real grudge. Grudges are interesting.

  110. I like this guy’s reply to one of Pierre’s rants on the 3rd Turning article.

    “You once again have not mentioned a single specific line of thought in Howe&Strauss’ book.
    I see mostly dumbed down generalizations.

    Let’s go deeper on one a little more specific example you brought up:

    What part of the preparations urged onto their readers are almost fascist?

    Please point to statements in the book (page numbers appreciated.)”

  111. Mags, I have often protested that a real troll seeks a fight and to end the conversation, those few of us known as trolls here usually are screwing around. I don’t believe BW is serious and bb is just bb.

    DP is well known here and maybe Stuck can fill you in on the gossip. His comments are unworthy of being repeated here. Please to not do that again.

  112. If only S&H had included a prediction that Jesus would return during one of any fourth turnings, Stuck would have devoured the book.

  113. ahem.. in all honestly I did NOT repeat HIS comments at all, only those who were annoyed with him.

    By the way, EC… you have Suzanna waiting in the next 4th turning article. She wants to tell you how sweet you are.

  114. How bad will the inevitable dollar/banking collapse be?
    Who knows?, But I’m buying more & more ammo.
    The truly horrific outcome may involve a war that makes the worst economic collapse look tame by comparison (think of a couple EMP’s sending us back to the 1800’s).
    Food, guns (mil pattern, high capacity), lots of ammo and water purification are the only insurance against being turned into a helpless lamb forced into the slaughter house.

  115. Maggie –

    David Pierre holds the dubious honor of being one of the only people that Jim has ever banned from TBP. Jim is staunchly a first amendment advocate, allowing free speech in all of its’ good and bad sides, allowing even the douchebaggery you’ve witnessed.

    I’ve been around this blog for a long time. I remember Smokey and the barbed wire reference, AWD and his fat girls, “He should have ducked” etc but David Pierre was even before my time here. I think maybe he was a regular on a previous incantation of TBP, when it was a sub-set of another blog. (I think)

    I’m not sure what David Pierre’s specific sin was, but I know he’s often referenced as a 9-11 truther so maybe he went ape-shit crazy during a 9-11 thread.

    Anyway, that’s the brief history that I know. David Pierre is a nut-job who was one of the only few people ever banned from TBP. Apparently, he still holds a grudge.

  116. @Tim, well, I surmised there was a past association gone sour and I think the term “bat shit” crazy applies because for a good amount of time and space, he diligently sat there and lambasted Admin whenever someone seemed to agree. I actually reactivated my account at one point to insert my opinion and then realized I was planning to get an idiot to listen to MY reasoning?

    Um, no… have put enough targets on myself to learn to pick my battles more wisely than that.

    Thanks for the summary.

  117. Administrator says: “We saw the final chapter of the Hunger Games last week. Very grim. I loved it. :)”
    The wife and I wanted to see “Spotlight”, not because I’m enthralled with the Catholic church transgressions with young boys but because it has a great cast (I’m a big fan of Michael Keaton–he was superb in “Birdman”). Anyway, for some reason the theater began Spotlight 10 minutes early and they told us at the ticket collector AFTER we had bought tickets. We complained and asked for the manager and she allowed us to see an alternate movie AND gave us 2 complimentary passes for a future movie. We ended up seeing the Hunger Games but I wasn’t too thrilled by it. Hokey ending.

  118. Admin–Damn it why don’t you tell us what you really think? heh, heh!

    If one wants to destroy the good ole USA, first destroy the money and second destroy the culture. Destroying the culture of America is the what we are seeing around us today. Government edicts, Supreme Court edicts, the World Counsel of Churches, Catholic liberalism, Hollywood’s portrayal of sex, war and violence, and Ultra Liberal Universities. An attack on culture. Culture is nothing more than a societal belief system. Progressives want to destroy the existing belief system and replace it with their own belief system, not thru reason as to the best system of beliefs, but thru force. Remember that idiot progressive woman professor ranting in front of the camera on the Mizzou campus trying to obstruct camera news coverage. Ya! You think that these people hold the same beliefs as you? In the position of power these people are dangerous. Think Hitler. …And like Hitler, these people are wedded to the lie. The Ends justify the Means. A Procrustean Bed of equality and justice.

    You are at war and you better realize it. You are truly on the battle lines and must bring to light the error of Progressive thinking or they will capture the mind of America as Hitler did with the mind of Germany to the same disastrous end. Man goes crazy in groups and slowly regains their sanity, one by one.

    Maggie and suzana–You may well use all that TP because when the collapse comes you may be sh*tting up a storm.

    Maggie and suzana–have you given any thought to idea that you may be, what we in psychology call, Anally Retentive? hmmmm

  119. The reason that the Jews survived for 2000 yrs is that the kept their culture which was centered upon Judaism. Culture-ism is the passing of Ideals down from the older generation to the younger generation. Ideals that have served humanity thru the ages.

    What is the culture of Jews, of Christians, Americans and France? What is the culture of Muslims? Is there a working compatibility among these various cultures? Is there Ideals that they all hold in common?

  120. Shitballs uh mercy Maggie, you just derailed the whole conversation. Sometimes I think you mean well but yer mongoloidish tendencies just screw it all ter hell and where yer trying ter make uh soufle yer just crappin out a turdburger.
    Other times I think you must be a government paid troll, using a ‘stupid is as stupid does’ type approach ter derailing what would otherwise be an awesome world changin convo. I hope yer happy with yerself either way.

  121. Billah’s wife says: I hope yer happy with yerself either way.

    That’s the spirit, BW, no need to totally demoralize anybody. We have really gotten involved with your personal ailments, you never derailed any threads with you fissures and tectonic movements. You prepped up yet?

  122. “The reason that the Jews survived for 2000 yrs ….” —– Homer

    You might want to google Jewish history. You might discover they’ve been around a bit longer than 2000 years.

  123. Jim, you raise lots of interesting points. I’m fascinated by the phenomena you document and your “turnings” perspective on analyzing what is going on. Unfortunately, you have an almost collectivist, top-down, “conspiracy theory,” view of how things work. Your writing still seems to be written as if you believe that what is happening in the world is something “they” are doing to “us.” You seem unwilling to embrace the idea that it is not the 0.01% who are the true source of the problem, just as it is not the producers who control the market but the consumer. We have the problems we do because the 99% are too afraid to consider any alternative to being ruled by kings and aristocrats, no matter what we call them. If that were not the case there would be nothing that the “0.01%” could do to maintain their thievery. The biggest threat these people fear is competition. The biggest threat that “the 99%” seem to perceive is their individualism and ultimately, their own existence. The only true problem with “the 0.01%” is that they are exceptionally good at giving most of the rest of humanity what they really want, despite how much the latter claim that they hate it. Do they? Really? No, they don’t.

    1. Robert

      My view of how things work is that “they” are controlling the masses, as described by Edward Bernays in 1928:

      “The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. …We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. …In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons…who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.”

  124. —Homer says:

    “The reason that the Jews survived for 2000 yrs is that the kept their culture which was centered upon Judaism.”

    Stucky handled that one succinctly.

    Now, the main event: “Culture-ism is the passing of Ideals down from the older generation to the younger generation. Ideals that have served humanity thru the ages.”

    Did you just make this up and think you were being clever? What you are calling “Culture-ism,” HomerSimpson’s dimwitted twin, is SOCIALIZATION and it involves a LOT more than the passing of moral beliefs, aka “ideals.” Unless, as I suspect, you semi-illiterate pretentious lout with your “hardeharhar” joke tossed at the “girls” for their TP fetish, when I doubt that you even truly know what ANAL RETENTIVE actually means. I told my very intelligent son that he is such a whiz with programming and circuit logic because he is ANAL RETENTIVE and he simply said “Thank you Mom” and continued to reload photoshop onto my laptop for the second time this fall because, unlike him, I am NOT ANAL RETENTIVE.

    Now, back to your idiotic use of the term Culture-ism and then your even worse attempt to LECTURE TBPers as to what it means (when you were WRONG!). Culture-ism is the new, improved way of explaining the way a certain “culture” or “community” of people view certain types of behavior. Now, if you have some strange idea (notice there is NOT AN “l” on the end to signify that I am suggesting you have a presupposed standard or “ideal”) that humanity has been served as a whole by distinct cultural ideals being passed down from one generation to the next without any interaction of other IDEAS, to include concepts, theories, skills, values, and YES, ideals, because ideas include BELIEFS, principles and standards within society, so IDEALS are part of what are passed during socialization in the body of ideas society transfers to the next generation.

    Now, Homer, in response to your insulting “Maggie and suzana–have you given any thought to idea that you may be, what we in psychology call, Anally Retentive? hmmmm” I will flat out tell you that you are, in my opinion, what we in the TBP world where we eat self-aggrandizing snits like you for breakfast and use TP to wipe what is anally retained after we dispose of what could not be digested and flush it all away.

    I suspect that “what we in psychology” really says is this: Mom has a few self-help books in the basement that she bought over the years to figure out how to get my sorry ass out of her house and I read a couple of chapters and think I’m smarter than I really am.

  125. Good gawd Maggie, why do you always have to dog pile Admen with a long ass pointless rambling unreadable piece uh donkey doo? Leave this thread alone! We’re almost ter 200!

  126. Admin… did you ever study or read any of the writings by George Miller in the 1950s on Psychology and Communication? I came across his body of writing when i was a journalism student, trying to make sense of what was going on in the “J” school I attended. It was obvious to me that the professors could not possible really believe what they were claiming to believe, so I started looking a little further back into the people who would have taught THEM.

    I don’t think Miller would have approved of how I USED his articles. (Haha… I used them against my professors, you might say, to convince them that what they declared to be true just might not be true after all.)

    There is a certain branch of communication dedicated to studying and learning everything they can about how to convince people without even presenting an argument. Subliminal messages are part of it, but it is MUCH more involved than that.

    It is not a “good” read and perhaps a summary of his ideas would suffice, but I wondered if you were familiar with Miller’s body of work.

  127. I will be very selective and summarize some points of his and explain why I think it is relevant. I’ll submit it in a day or so for your consideration.

    Here’s a link to one paper available online. I don’t recommend READING the psychobabble, but he did learn a lot about how to manipulate interpretation of information, I believe, and I think he passed that on.
    The Magical Number Seven, Plus or Minus Two: Some Limits on Our Capacity for Processing Information
    An excerpt from the intro: My problem is that I have been persecuted by an integer. For seven years this number has followed me around, has intruded in my most private data, and has assaulted me from the pages of our most public journals. This number assumes a variety of disguises, being sometimes a little larger and sometimes a little smaller than usual, but never changing so much as to be unrecognizable. The persistence with which this number plagues me is far more than a random accident. There is, to quote a famous senator, a design behind it, some pattern governing its appearances. Either there really is something unusual about the number or else I am suffering from delusions of persecution.

    I shall begin my case history by telling you about some experiments that tested how accurately people can assign numbers to the magnitudes of various aspects of a stimulus. In the traditional language of psychology these would be called experiments in absolute judgment. Historical accident, however, has decreed that they should have another name. We now call them experiments on the capacity of people to transmit information. Since these experiments would not have been done without the appearance of information theory on the psychological scene, and since the results are analyzed in terms of the concepts of information theory, I shall have to preface my discussion with a few remarks about this theory.

  128. This article, and pretty much all others on this site sums up all the problems in the world. It’s people who write and read this bigoted, ignorant trash that are ruining the planet.

    Your negative, bigoted, and naive commentary reveals the depth of your ignorance.

    Why bother with life? I mean really….aren’t you just wasting somebody else’s oxygen who is useful and participates in the growth of this great world?

    1. NoOneOfIQ80

      Its ignorant dumbasses like yourself with IQs below 80 who are responsible for the problems you don’t see in the world. Thank you for representing the ignorant masses in such an excellent manner. Now go back to burying your head in the sand and voting for Hillary Clinton.

  129. Thanks for the “help” EC, but I actually meant BW. I like the photo my son found of her/it posted in the mens’ room of the truck stop on our last trip to take him back to school.You know, the trip when I was stopped for speeding.

    Anyway, I think that the increased traffic on the blog signals that Admin’s articles are getting a LOT of attention AND that more and more people are forced to admit that we really aren’t in Kansas any more. Just wondering why don’t you make more serious comments. It has become apparent to me that you are not the idiot I once believed you to be.

  130. @Maggie, BW is smarter than I am, bb is more sincere and quite restrained. In a blog full of smart folks, we will appear dumb but we are way too smart for ZH. We three seem to have inherited the job of the hounds of hell. Those folks would tear a newbie’s guts out for fun. Nowadays, we just nip at their heels and they either straighten up their act or they go away mad.

    I referred you to the Calamity incident a few days ago. That was painful to watch, a newbie gored to near death for relatively minor sins. You might look that up, it happened sometime in April of 2012.

    Nearly everybody here is battle scarred, tested and anally probed at least once. Except BW, nobody wants to probe that. Actually, I believe BW is an insurgent that never got over the butthurt from the Billy goatfuck, that was a nasty battle royale.

    I have posted some serious stuff over time but that’s only when I get pissed and I don’t like to be pissed off.

  131. Good enough. I just wondered. I sometimes think I recognize “who” BW must be, but then I doubt myself. And, I realize it really does NOT MATTER because anyone choosing that persona to inflict their insults and nasty banter/trolling is better off left to their own devices most of the time. And I do that now, having learned that the less response the better.

    Most of the time.

  132. Maggie,

    Let me try ter spell it out on a 4th grade level, so go git yer gooberized offspring ter come interpret: These is perilous times. We’re all here tryin ter figure what the shit-turkey’s going on in the world, and we’re all disciples of Admenstruater and his particular take on the conflagration that is about ter envelope ever one of our God fer saken lives.

    But you want ter talk TP and bullshit cockamamie about cops takin apple pie in a jar bribes er some other totally unbelievably random observation from yer day ter day. See the difference? Now yer constantly harassing me fer no reason and like Rambo I say, ‘bring it on’. I’m gonner eat you like El Coyote eats menudo, so git yer granny panties out of a wad and git ready fer uh full on interlectually devastatin ass kickin of the first degree.

  133. Admin, if you are “around” I just got an email from one of the Family of Families members in Oklahoma. She wondered if I still listen to Glenn Beck. (The answer is no… not in years, but a great number of the group were Tea Party/912 member based folks, so they listened and discussed him all the time.)

    Anyway, today on his “subscription” only program? He presented his understanding of the Four Turnings, on his blackboard with little notes and advised everyone to buy the book and read it so they could get a good grasp of what is coming.

    Here is her message she sent when I asked if she could summarize his show:

    He talked about the caliphate and played a tape of ISIS and explained their motivation to bring on Armageddon. He believes we have already entered WW3. Talked about the Feds meeting this morning to talk about adding the yuan to the world currency and he explained what he believes that means. He kinda let it all hang out in a politically incorrect way. [I have no idea what this might mean and am not asking.] I only hear/see the first 30 min. while I am driving in to work. It is so hard to turn it off when I get there. He irecommends we read a book called “the fourth turning”. And is using chalk board to teach on the “every 80 years cycle” of the world and how where in that cycle you are born dictates what your role is in these last days. It is hard for me to grasp and is fascinating teaching. Anyway, I am buying the fourth turning book and will let you know what I think.

    I have never had the Glenn Beckitis that a lot of the FF members had, ,but is this an interesting development?

  134. Susanna or Suzanna? This is a blog. Admin posts articles and people comment and share ideas and information.

    Snarks are everywhere. And the crazy, crazy thing about having some lowlife loser stalking me here on this blog and then claiming that I am the agressor is this:

    I have other things to do and I do them most of the time. It has been raining a lot this week, so have been here a bit more than usual.

    I await my “interlectural” ass whipping from someone who hides behind a moniker designed to throw insults at someone who obviously has not only more of a life, but more character and background to base a future on.

    The sun should break through tomorrow and i can return to my projects.

  135. @Maggie, I never watched glenn beck or any of those FOX/CNN dudes. But I have this idea that when a speaker begins ‘teaching’ from a whiteboard, I think I’m watching Pastor Gene Scott extemporizing on some obscure squiggle of scripture.

    Such teachers always suggest there is more to come in the next show and they never give an indication that they are out of material.

    Admin has poured out his soul, so to speak and has not been so coy to suggest there is more to come if you only tune in next week after you send in a generous donation. Yet, you say Glenn is doing a subscription show teaching the same stuff folks could get for free here.

    Some fuckers just love to swindle the other passengers on the Titanic.

  136. EC… kind of how I feel too, but the 912ers and Tea Partyers LOVED him in 2008 and he was a driving force for a long time. I guess he still is, but not for me/us.

  137. Be strong, Maggie. I’m looking forward to the interlectual fireballs thrown at you, if only for curiosity’s sake. Surely they will be devastating. BW claimed to have whipped Sensetti’s ass. That takes balls which by definition, BW ought not to have. We shall all be surprised when BW comes out – a la Caitlyn – that is the lone cliff hanger keeping me on pins and needles.

    BTW, if not for our truce, Maggie: I too am a troll, so I think I’ll let BW have this 200.

  138. Maggie, Oh my gosh…you did have recipes!

    Yes, by all means add dill to the beans.
    That is quite a stove/winter project. Good luck.

    I just finished up getting stock made from my neighbor’s
    turkey carcass. I share it with her 50/50 plus the bits of meat
    for the dogs. Long process, but worth the trouble.

    Glenn Beck. Icky. GB copied JQ.

  139. @Suzanna… is kind of what I figured about GB. GB’s “writers” heard Limbaugh comment about an article here at TBP and scoped it out, discovered the driving philosophy/theory/whatever and coopted it.

    He also mentioned, by the way, that he was thinking about running for president in 8 years. Beck. No kidding. Sounds GREAT.

    @EC.. Let him/it have the 200? You done got it.

    Have a nice day. I’ll be quaking in my boots, worried about my interlectural ass stomping.

  140. People,
    everyone finally went to bed!
    EC got 200!

    I have realized BW is a jokester/jouster…
    must be difficult to reedddddddddddddde oh-oh
    x cat is crossing the key board again!
    Remain in character,,,I was trying to say.
    Pouring rain…can not work outside.
    Will drive to down…get more TP.


  141. Suzanna/Susanna,

    I sincerely hope that BW realizes that YOU are much more annoying to him than I will ever be. I hope that he/she/IT pours out all his/her/ITS interlectural wrath on YOU because obviously, you don’t understand just how profoundly powerful he/she/IT is.

    And, I hope that you and I continue to share recipes and anecdotal stories about sales on TP.

    In older posts like this one, though… I do indeed avoid rambling too much in the new posts. The blog is getting really popular and we want as many to understand the philosophy of the Fourth Turning Crises as possible without drawing them into our little shitfest with BW.

    Which is why I need the TP…

  142. Maggie

    Can we just call uh truce here or what? Here’s mah one absolutely non negotiable though. You have ter admit the story about the fat cop was a total fabrication farted up from somewheres in yer imagination. Can you do that for me hon? Dont make me give yer the Sensetti treatment. I don’t want ter fight no more. Let’s be friends.

  143. I will be happy to call a truce, but I was stopped for speeding by a chubby cop whose partner stood at my back fender unbeknownst to me. When he asked what was in the cooler and I blurted out empty jars, he wanted to look in the cooler.

    Since I carry a loaded 38 revolver in my car, I decided it was best to comply. I’d forgotten that in the cooler was a half-pint jar of my special apple pie filling and when he picked it up and asked what it was, I offered it to him. Since he didn’t give me a ticket, I didn’t get his name, but for the life of me, WHY you think I would waste my time making up this boring ass story when I could have claimed he did a lot more interesting things than insist on looking in a 53 year old mother’s cooler to see if I was hauling something other than jars is beyond me.

    As for the Sensetti treatment, I don’t know what that is, but I’m sure I would survive. He seems to be just fine.

    Truce would be better than not one, but I’m not going to say the cop story was a fabrication because WHY THE HELL WOULD IT BE?

  144. Hope is just around the corner! El Presidente said the Ruskies will eventually admit the error of their ways in propping up Assad and join the West in fighting the real enemy. Then, the poor freedom fighters opposing Assad will join everybody on the table of political discussion. It all sounds so wonderful, aren’t Arabs great? I wonder if Christian Syrians will be at the negotiating table?

  145. Since things have calmed down here, I’ll post a thoughtful snippet from Cormack McCarthy’s post apocalyptic novel “The Road”. It’s this passage that inspires me to keep on keeping on.

    “They began to come upon from time to time small cairns of rock by the roadside. They were signs in gypsy language, lost patterans. The first he’d seen in some while, common in the north, leading out of the looted and exhausted cities, hopeless messages to loved ones lost and dead. By then all stores of food had given out and murder was everywhere upon the land. The world would soon to be largely populated by men who would eat your children in front of your eyes and the cities themselves held by cores of blackened looters who tunneled among the ruins and crawled from the rubble white of tooth and eye carrying charred and anonymous tins of food in nylon nets like shoppers in the commissaries of hell. The soft black talc blew through the streets like liquid ink uncoiling along a sea floor and the cold crept down and the dark came early and the scavengers passing down the steep canyons with their torches trod silky holes in the drifted ash that closed behind them as silently as eyes. Out on the roads the pilgrims sank down and fell over and died and the bleak and shrouded earth went trundling past the sun and returned again as trackless and unremarked as the path of any nameless sisterworld in the ancient dark beyond.”

    Beautiful imagery, isn’t it? McCarthy has an interesting way of writing, with no use of capital letters and such.

    You can never have enough food. You can never have enough ammunition. Never be taken alive. If all else fails and you are the last one left out of your group, remember to save the last bullet for yourself.

    Well, that all. No one will read this so I’ll bid all you phantoms out there a good night and sweet dreams.

  146. I read it and yes… nice imagery (though NOT very pretty) and use of run-on sentences to set tone and induce a sense of time passing.

  147. I’ve seen that imagery many times on Twilight Zone. Rod Serling was one messed up dude who messed up a generation growing up on his dark visions. Good thing our kids had Michael Jackson and the muppets. Imagine how much more fucked up Billy would be if not for the banana splits and land of the lost.

  148. Hello. How is everyone? I’m new here.

    El Coyote, GREAT NAME! Are you Mexican?

    Hey gang, I just noticed we’re headed towards 300 comments on this thread! Let’s do it!

  149. Thank you EC…That was lovely Mr. sweet and kind.
    I actually looked like the woman…when i was 25….
    now, I am a blonde…easier to cover the gray.

    BW…wow, you can talk, you can write!! Change your persona
    a bit. We can have fun. Maybe, I hope so.


  150. Imagine for a moment that Admin had that attitude. I’m just going to fling some shit at the wall and see what sticks only works in think tank brainstorming sessions. I need a well researched, perfectly illustrated and easy to follow tutorial. The world can’t wait for me to put up some pics because my Maggie can’t get her tutorial to function. Is this what has become of the can-do spirit of America? Oh well?

    TIA, Maggie, I know your only being humble and it’s going to be an excellent article!

  151. Ahem, let me correct that… “I tried to put it in a form YOU could understand.” How’s that… buddy? LOL You know that I really am trying to help Admin get his point across to as many as he can… if you have a picture that might reach ONE MORE PERSON… LOL.


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