How likely is a 1987-style stock-market crash today? Likelier than you’d think

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There’s a one-in-five chance that over the next 30 years the U.S. market will suffer a 20%-plus single-day plunge

The Dow Jones Industrial Average lost almost 23% on Oct. 19, 1987. Getty Images

Thirty-six years ago, on Oct. 19, 1987, the U.S. stock market suffered its worst crash ever. That day, the Dow Jones Industrial Average DJIA lost 22.6%.

The good news is that the odds are extremely low that U.S. stocks in the next several months will experience a comparable single-session decline.

The bad news is that those odds aren’t zero. Though the odds on any given day are low, chances are high that a drop of such magnitude will take place someday. Investors need to take those odds into account as they devise portfolio strategies, either on their own or with a financial adviser’s help.

We know the odds of a crash because researchers several years ago derived a formula that successfully predicts the average frequency of stock market crashes over long periods of time.

According to that formula, there’s a one-in-five chance that over the next 30 years the U.S. market will see another 22.6% one-day drop.

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‘Don’t invest in the U.S.’ says GMO’s Jeremy Grantham, who sees a possible 50% stock pullback coming.

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Jeremy Grantham, founder of GMO explores different perspectives on resource volatility, security and planning at the ReSource 2012 conference on July 12, 2012 in Oxford, England. In a podcast that published Friday, Grantham says much of the U.S. stock market is uninvestable.

“Don’t invest in the U.S. If you have to invest in the U.S…I would urge you to take a good look at quality, and quality has been the mispriced asset for 100 years.” — Jeremy Grantham, co-founder of GMO

That was the central advice from the investment strategist who earned Wall Street fame for spotting both the dot-com bubble and global financial crisis, Jeremy Grantham, co-founder of the contrarian and often bearish investment house, GMO LLC.

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Market Crash Imminent?

Guest Post by Brewer55

I hesitate, somewhat, to submit the following 2 videos. I say that because when I was red-pilled some 14+ years ago, my journey has taken me to many different places and sources of information. I’m sure many of you would say that some of the sources you either read, or listened to, you’ve since abandoned as said source(s) proved to be unreliable. The same goes for me. One in particular is the Hagmann report (formerly, Hagmann & Hagmann before his son died of an overdose). I won’t get into all the reasons why as it is not necessary at this juncture.

However, I was scanning Seth Holehouse’s “Man in America” Telegram channel and he highly recommended everyone watch the video interview of Aaron Brickman on the Hagmann show. In the comments, several people posting mentioned Brickman was also on the Health Ranger show (Mike Adams).

Mike Adams is another source that I had pretty much abandoned as Mike tends to be very sensationalistic and over-the-top, IMHO. But, Hagmann and Adams do have good guests that they interview.

Ok, enough of the pretext. I’m going to list both of the video links here for your consideration. Both are long (Hagmann’s is at 1 hour) and the Adam’s interview is 1.5 hours.

Here is the summation, the Reader’s Digest version, of the 2 videos.

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Let The Wild Rumpus Begin

Guest Post by Jeremy Grantham

(Approaching the End of) The First U.S. Bubble Extravaganza: Housing, Equities, Bonds, and Commodities

Executive Summary

All 2-sigma equity bubbles in developed countries have broken back to trend. But before they did, a handful went on to become superbubbles of 3-sigma or greater: in the U.S. in 1929 and 2000 and in Japan in 1989. There were also superbubbles in housing in the U.S. in 2006 and Japan in 1989. All five of these superbubbles corrected all the way back to trend with much greater and longer pain than average.

Today in the U.S. we are in the fourth superbubble of the last hundred years.

Previous equity superbubbles had a series of distinct features that individually are rare and collectively are unique to these events. In each case, these shared characteristics have already occurred in this cycle. The checklist for a superbubble running through its phases is now complete and the wild rumpus can begin at any time.

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$VIX Shock

Guest Post by Sven Heinrich

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Let me say up front: I’m not trying to scare anyone. $VIX 54 shock on Friday says people are already scared. My mantra remains: Keep calm. And I’m not one to scream bear after markets have already dropped and are in stress. As many of you know I’ve already done my warning screaming before this drop.

But I also want to be as realistic as possible with what’s going on here and the risks associated with it and offer a few perspectives and scenarios. So here goes:

We’re faced with the most critical time since the financial crisis. That’s not my opinion, this is what the $VIX says. It’s behaving in a very unusual and rare way and everyone better pay very close attention. When I made the $VIX 46 call in January it seemed like an idiotic call to make for $VIX moves into the 40’s are extremely rare. But it happened and $VIX hit 46 a week ago and now on Friday $VIX hit 54 before again reverting below the trend line I had originally drawn in January (see Big Calls).

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Ho hum — a 65% market plunge would be ‘run of the mill,’ fund manager says

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While stocks staged a remarkable comeback from Monday’s deep decline, they still closed in the red. A day later, and the sellers are back at it.

Long-suffering market bears, like John Hussman, have to be savoring this kind of action. After all, when things turn south, Hussman’s fortunes turn north.

In fact, riding the street cred he earned form calling market collapses in 2000 and 2008, his assets under management swelled to almost $7 billion. Now, however, after years of underperformance, that figure stands at a fraction of what it once was.

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“Euphoria Turns To Terror”: Dow To Open 750 Points Lower As VIX Eruption Accelerates

Update: VIX SURGES ABOVE 50 FOR FIRST TIME SINCE AUGUST 2015

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It’s a bloodbath, with the Dow set to open 750 points lower “thanks” to the +377 fair value…

… but it could have been much worse, with S&P futures actually trading toward the highs of the overnight session after tumbling an additional 3.5% from Monday’s close, as risk assets around the world crashed then modestly rebounded even as traders remain on edge over what the implosion in the vol complex means for everyone.

World stock markets nosedived for a fourth day running on Tuesday, having seen $4 trillion wiped off from what just eight days ago had been record high values.

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WHERE’S TRUMP’S TWEET?

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Our glorious leader has been taking full credit for the stock market surge since his election. This is his market. He owns it. I await his tweet this afternoon taking credit for the 1,175 point crash today and the 2,271 point decline since his state of the union address. He used the market climb as proof his policies were working. So what does this crash mean?

This is what happens when politicians take credit for shit that has nothing to do with them or reality. I haven’t seen a tweet about the surge in black unemployment to 7.7% last month after touting the all-time low of 6.8% non-stop for the prior month.

I despise pompous arrogant assholes who think the world revolves around them, taking credit for that which they played no part in producing. Trump embraced the bubble and now he will have the bust all over his orange face. Enjoy the headlines Trump. It’s your market now.

Dow plunges 1,600 points at lows, marks worst intraday point drop in history, on computer-driven selling

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50% Correction Is Impossible! Really?

Submitted by Lance Roberts via RealInvestmentAdvice.com,

There is little doubt currently that complacency reigns in the financial markets. Nowhere is that complacency more evident than in the Market Greed/Fear Index which combines the 4-measures of investor sentiment (AAII, INVI, MarketVane, & NAAIM) with the inverse Volatility Index.

The reason I revisit the index above is due to last Thursday’s “3-Things” post in which I presented two arguments concerning the potential for a 50-70% decline in the markets. John Hussman’s view was simply a valuation argument stating:

“To offer some idea of the precipice the market has reached, the median price/revenue ratio of individual S&P 500 component stocks now stands just over 2.45, easily the highest level in history. The longer-term norm for the S&P 500 price/revenue ratio is less than 1.0. Even a retreat to 1.3, which we’ve observed at many points even in recent cycles, would take the stock market to nearly half of present levels.”

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BREXIT & THE FOURTH TURNING

I took a long walk on the boardwalk with my wife and mother last night, after a long day of packing, doctor appointments, travel, unpacking, food shopping and buying enough liquor to get me through the next week. I was confident the oligarchs had the Brexit vote rigged in their favor. I went to bed exhausted at 10:00.

I wake up this morning to global pandemonium. I just wanted to ride my bike on the boardwalk in peace, but Noooo. First it was raining, so I have to wait for the showers to end. Then I flip on the radio and hear about stock markets around the world crashing because the British people grew some balls and told their keepers to fuck off.

My first thought upon hearing the news was “Fourth Turning”. It’s all about the mood of the people in these countries. The establishment is constantly baffled during Fourth Turnings because they think their old methods of propaganda, fear and control will continue to work. They don’t realize the cyclical nature of history and how the current generational configuration will lead to earth shattering change and a complete destruction of the existing social order. Brexit is just another brick in the wall.

I also find it interesting that over the last month or so some of the most renowned investing billionaires in the world have announced their bearishness and had placed large bets on such an outcome. George Soros is the perfect example. He switched his position to shorting the market recently. Then he constantly blathered in the press about what a disaster Brexit would be for global markets. Then the captured legacy media convinced the world Brexit would never happen. When it “shockingly” happened last night, stock markets around the world crashed. Soros and his billionaire cronies made hundreds of millions in profits. Meanwhile, the poor schmuck with his 401k gets clobbered again.

Since I was 100% wrong in my prediction regarding Brexit, you can take my following observations with a grain of salt. But this is what I see:

  • This further cements the coming showdown between the people and the establishment (politicians, bankers, mainstream media).
  • The EU is dead. France, Italy and other EU countries will push for the same referendum and the people will vote out.
  • The insolvent banks across Europe were never fixed. The central bankers just extended, pretended, and printed more debt. Bank failures will trigger further economic strife.
  • The credibility of central bankers around the globe will completely disintegrate as their one trick pony method of easy money has proven to be an immense failure for the people.
  • With the disintegration of the EU, the possibility of civil chaos and war with Russia goes up dramatically.
  • It will be interesting to see if the Fed and their Wall Street banker puppeteers can stop the stock market from dropping by its destined 30% to 50%. The overvaluation is drastic and this could be the Lehman moment, or at least the Bear Stearns moment.
  • The credibility of the corporate mainstream media has further disintegrated as they again have been revealed as nothing but propaganda mouthpieces for the establishment. Their anti-Brexit poll numbers were fake. They are not journalists, but cheerleaders for their corporate sponsors.
  • The constant media bashing of Trump and cheerleading for Clinton will be disregarded by the silent majority in the U.S. Their polls and opinions can be completely ignored and dismissed. The people of this country who don’t live in NYC, DC, LA, or SF are pissed off. Their mood is dark. They want change. The only person who will give them change is Trump.
  • I’m more convinced than ever that Trump will win the presidency in November. This is a Fourth Turning. The status quo never wins during a Fourth Turning.

Fourth Turnings never peter out. They intensify to a crescendo of turmoil, chaos, violence, war, and bloodshed. This Fourth Turning intensification just got turned up dramatically. It will eventually be turned up to 11.

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Has The Market Crash Only Just Begun?

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Having successfully called the market’s retreat in the fall of 2015, Universa’s Mark Spitznagel is not taking a victory lap as he warns Bloomberg TV that “the crash has only just begun.”

Investors are facing the most binary “let’s make a deal” market in history in Spitznagel’s view: choose Door #1 to bet on Keynesianism, central planners, and monetary interventionism; or Door #2 to bet on free markets and natural price discovery.

“There is massive cognitive dissonance here,” Spitznagel explains as history teaches us that door #2 is the right choice… but it’s not possible to do that today as investors have been coerced to choose door #1, but when door #1 is slammed open “we will see that dreaded black swan monster.”

That is what is going on right now:

“Investors want to go with The Fed when it’s working – like David Zervos… the problem is, when do you know that it is not working?”

“At some point this stops working…”

 

“the market is going through a resolution process, transitioning from the cognitive dissonance of Door #1 to the harsh reality of Door #2… if everyone were to change doors at the same time, that is a market crash… it can’t be done in a non-messy way.”

Must watch reality check behind the smoke and mirrors we call markets… (we note Mark’s excellent analogy starting at around 3:10)


IF YOU THINK THAT WAS A CRASH….

Last week’s volatility to the downside was entirely predictable, as the first leg down during this ongoing market crash reached the correction stage of 11%. The technical bounce was a given, as the 30 year old HFT MBAs on Wall Street have been trained like rats to BTFD. In their lemming like minds, it has worked for the last six years of this Federal Reserve created “bull market”, so why wouldn’t it work now. Last week was their first lesson in why it doesn’t work during bear markets, and we’ve entered a bear market. John Hussman seems amused at the shallowness of the arguments by Wall Street shills and CNBC cheerleaders about the future of the stock market in his weekly letter. After this modest pullback from all-time highs, the S&P 500 is still overvalued by 92%:

Following the market decline of recent weeks, the most reliable valuation measures we identify now project average annual nominal returns for the S&P 500 of about 0.5% in the next 10 years. On a broad range of historically reliable valuation measures (see Ockham’s Razor and the Market Cycle) the May peak in the S&P 500 reached valuations averaging about 114% above run-of-the-mill historical norms – more than double the valuation levels that have historically been associated with the 10% average expected market returns that investors have enjoyed over the long-term. At present, those measures have retreated to about 92% above historical norms.

Keep in mind that low interest rates don’t raise the estimated 10-year expected return on stocks from the current 0.5% level. Low interest rates only make the low expected return on stocks somewhat more “acceptable” because the alternatives are similarly dismal. The Federal Reserve’s policies of zero interest rates and quantitative easing have done nothing but to encourage yield-seeking speculation, bringing valuations to extreme levels, and leaving prospective future investment returns equally depressed.

Those who assert that high equity valuations are “justified” by low interest rates are actually (and probably unknowingly) saying that 0.5% expected returns on equities over the coming decade are a-okay with them. But it’s critically important to understand that while low interest may help to explain why current market valuations have been driven to obscene levels, low rates do not change the relationship – the correspondence – between elevated valuation levels and dismal subsequent long-term market returns.

It is time to assume crash positions because we have not experienced anything approaching a crash thus far. We’ve hit nothing but an air pocket.  As Dr. Hussman points out so succinctly, market crashes do not happen at the peak. There is usually an initial 10% to 14% decline as the smart money exits stage left, then the lemming dip buyers pile in and drive the market back up, but fail in bringing it above the initial high. It’s only then that sentiment deteriorates, support levels are broken, and all hell breaks loose. That time is coming.

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Blame the Federal Reserve, Not China, for Stock Market Crash

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Following Monday’s historic stock market downturn, many politicians and so-called economic experts rushed to the microphones to explain why the market crashed and to propose “solutions” to our economic woes. Not surprisingly, most of those commenting not only failed to give the right answers, they failed to ask the right questions.

Many blamed the crash on China’s recent currency devaluation. It is true that the crash was caused by a flawed monetary policy. However, the fault lies not with China’s central bank but with the US Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve’s inflationary policies distort the economy, creating bubbles, which in turn create a booming stock market and the illusion of widespread prosperity. Inevitably, the bubble bursts, the market crashes, and the economy sinks into a recession.

An increasing number of politicians have acknowledged the flaws in our monetary system. Unfortunately, some members of Congress think the solution is to force the Fed to follow a “rules-based” monetary policy. Forcing the Fed to “follow a rule” does not change the fact that giving a secretive central bank the power to set interest rates is a recipe for economic chaos. Interest rates are the price of money, and, like all prices, they should be set by the market, not by a central bank and certainly not by Congress.

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The Roseanne Roseannadanna market

John Hussman with more facts for you to ignore. The market is going to crash. It might be a Greek default, a Chinese bubble bursting, or a Wall Street hedge fund blowing up. It’s always something. If it’s not one thing, it’s another.

 Much of the investment world seems to view present conditions as a “Goldilocks market” where economic growth is positive enough to avoid recession, but not fast enough to provoke the Federal Reserve to hike interest rates. Even if these views on economic growth and Federal Reserve policy are correct, it hardly follows that stock prices will advance. S&P 500 returns are only weakly correlated with year-over-year GDP growth and have near-zero correlation with year-over-year changes in earnings. Likewise, the stance of the Federal Reserve has much less power to distinguish investment outcomes than investors seem to believe, which they might realize even by remembering that the Fed was easing aggressively and persistently throughout the 2000-2002 and 2007-2009 market collapses.

In contrast, we find profound differences in market outcomes across history depending on the combined status of valuations, market internals, and broader measures of market action (which include, for example, overvalued, overbought, overbullish syndromes). Some of these combinations, from most to least favorable, are:

1) Favorable valuations that are newly joined by a shift to favorable market internals;

2) Unfavorable valuations, coupled with favorable market internals, and without overvalued, overbought, overbullish features – which is an environment where speculation is reasonable;

3) Favorable valuations but without favorable market internals – where we observe positive average market returns but higher variability than in any other classification;

4) Unfavorable valuations, favorable market internals, but the emergence of overvalued, overbought overbullish features – which typically results in what I call “unpleasant skew”: a tendency toward persistent, marginal new highs, punctuated by “air pockets” that can wipe out weeks or months of progress in a handful of sessions, though the risk of a deeper crash becomes significant only after market internals also deteriorate;

5) Unfavorable valuations and unfavorable market internals, coming off of a recent period of overvalued, overbought, overbullish conditions – which represents the most severe return/risk profile we identify, and captures the bulk of historical market crashes.

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